Legion Niederlande Arm Shield Question

[Massimo F.]

Hi, what would be the current market value for a Legion Niederlande Shield like this one?

[Winkelman]

P.M. sent ..

[Jens]

I had this type before..,...

IMO its a copy...

[marco wol]

I'd like to read more. Why is this a copy?

[NickG]

I had this type before..,...

IMO its a copy...

I have one also and its in Angolia's book... also like this. I have confidence in these! Here's mine!
Nick

[Massimo F.]

I Like this style of shield! unfortunately for me they are quite hard to come by...
The one I've posted was a scam attempt, it's actually in a fellow collector's collection and was proposed to me by a guy over the internet, thanks to WAF I got warned on time and avoided to loose money for... a picture of a good shield

Nick I really like that shield you posted ... how much did you pay for it?

thank you all guys for your help !!!!!!

[ton g]

vullonteershield

I have my concerns too with this type of shield. About 15-20 years ago I bought one exactly the same from a respected collector/dealer in the Netherlands and you kwow what? As I inspected it at home, there was a paper remnant of a modern postcard (from the '70-80's) behind the threads, that could have come there only at the fabrication of this shield.
An otherone I saw at a show in Dortmund-Germany had also some kind of new paper inside.
That's why I stay away from this type!!
I think they used this paper to ease the production for stitching the threads diagonal and when the shield was ready, they could cut the paper with a pair of siccors between the threads away. Probably they forgot it with the two shields I inspected. I've also seen some without the paper.
Still there are many styles of Dutch shields out there which are okay

(btw: I got my money back from the dealer)

[Massimo F.]

Hi Ton G,

I know there's quite a debate about this type of shields but so far I didn't have the chance to inspect one in hand, the one you owned and you found with the postcard template still in it did it glow under UV light?

[ton g]

shield

Hey Krieg,

I don't know if it did glow under UV, as soon as I discovered the postcardpaper inbetween I send it back to the dealer without examining it further. As I stated: the postcardpaper could have come there only with the manufacturing of the shield, so it couldn't be an original item.
Therefor I don't like this type of shield.
I don't say there was no shield like this, because fakers need to have an example to copy, don't they?

Greets

[Massimo F.]

Right! Ton G ... being hand embroidered they are much easier to replicate than machine embroidered ones which have to stick to a specific template. An original specimen given to a skilled person is not hard at all to copy and as you said, the give away was the 1970s postcard cardboard used as support...
I'll keep looking for a real one and I mean NOT JUST A PICTURE OF A REAL ONE !

[Winkelman]

Here are some variations .. ! Picture as posted by Mario ( " Coco " ) 4 years ago . The one that started this thread is NOT among them - the one on the lower left has threads going in the opposite direction = 3 " blocks " of short threads sewn from lower left to upper right ..

[Massimo F.]

Thanks Winkelman for this awesome picture! Interesting to note the different manufacturing styles adopted. If somebody has the Baers' book on the german helmet, there's a picture of a Dutch volunteer wearing the cuff title and the shield on his left sleeve, since I've left it in Italy I'd like to have that picture posted for comparison. I only own the german made "Dachau" style shield and I was going to look for locally produced ones, this is part of my small collection
thanks all for your interventions and precious help

[Askold]

What a superb collection of shields! I love the printed one used by the Dutch Kriegsmarine volunteers.

[Rene Chavez]

Hi IMO the Dutch shield is original and many well known insignia collectors as well as Dutch collectors have it. What makes it original to me is that I have seen pictures of Dutch volunteers wearing such a shield. I might have some pictures by I need time to search my files.

Ton G by any chance did you take any pictures of the shield and the paper card that it came with and also what did the reverse look like?

Rene Chavez
Http://axis101.bizland.com

[ton g]

shield,

Hello collector colleges,

unfortunately I didn't take pictures of it. The postcardpaper was the regular beige-coloured paper with brown lettering used in the 70-80's in the Netherlands. I don't recall wich words/letters were visible, but it was with no doubt a piece of a "modern" postcard. I showed it to a fellow-collector and discussed with him the possibilities how the paper could have got in between the stitching, and he agreed with me there was no doubt it was a fake. The specimen I inspected in Dortmund had a different piece of paper, but also very new paper with some text on it.
As it is almost 20 years ago, I don't know anymore how the back of the shield looked like.
Because of those two specimens, I don't trust this type, but i'm not saying it didn't exist! I would like to see a clear picture of Dutch vollunteers wearing this specific shield. I think that will be a difficult task, because many types of shields resemble the one that started this thread.
As I said before: fakers do need an original piece to copy!!

Greetings
Ton