The fact that the well versed high end "experts" havent already forked over the money to buy something that " is worth " so much in value..should send alarm bells a ringing that it in fact is not worth what is being asked for it..original or not. I hate to be a spoiler and it is a beauty of a uniform but if its worth so much and such a highly desireable piece then why arent the money changers breaking the Temple doors down to get it..sorry dont fall into that trap Andre...you will own something you may not be able to recover what you spend on it.
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Good point John,Originally posted by John Pic View Post
As a matter of fact, perhaps we should just all stay home with what we have. No sense in buying anything anymore. Close down the shows, etc, etc. There just isn't anything that hasn't already been seen by someone so what's the use of looking for new acquisitions. Maybe we should take up stamp collecting and pump some new life into that hobby, but what's the use, all the good stamps are probably already in collections of "high end experts".
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Well then please be my guest and buy it if money is no object when it comes to these worn used old uniforms that will sit there for your enjoyment until you die, or it falls apart. Nothing you say changes what it is...its not worth $23,000...no matter how you look at it.
You can hope your "investments" will pay off and some might be lucky enough to sell that uniform they paid $4000 for in 1987 for $23,000 today (more power to them)but anyone paying that is not thinking about 10 years from now or even 5 years from now..who will pay double that ?
Where are the SS afficionados with deep pockets who have collected and studied this all these years and "dream to own" such a uniform as I often read in these threads why havent they well versed SS collectors who talk about value not tripping over each other to buy this one of a kind gem? Where are the part time dealers who "know for certain" they can make double off of it in 5 years...You have alot to think about before making a decision to buy something like this...alot more than just expert opinion.I would be worried that a uniform with the officers initials hasnt yet been identified this far into the years of the internet and all the SS name research available...especially with the unit pinpointed.Last edited by John Pic; 02-01-2009, 08:54 PM.Comment
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John,Originally posted by John Pic View PostWell then please be my guest and buy it if money is no object when it comes to these worn used old uniforms that will sit there for your enjoyment until you die, or it falls apart. Nothing you say changes what it is...its not worth $23,000...no matter how you look at it.
You can hope your "investments" will pay off and some might be lucky enough to sell that uniform they paid $4000 for in 1987 for $23,000 today (more power to them)but anyone paying that is not thinking about 10 years from now or even 5 years from now..who will pay double that ?
Where are the SS afficionados with deep pockets who have collected and studied this all these years and "dream to own" such a uniform as I often read in these threads why havent they well versed SS collectors who talk about value not tripping over each other to buy this one of a kind gem? Where are the part time dealers who "know for certain" they can make double off of it in 5 years...You have alot to think about before making a decision to buy something like this...alot more than just expert opinion.I would be worried that a uniform with the officers initials hasnt yet been identified this far into the years of the internet and all the SS name research available...especially with the unit pinpointed.
Why don't post some of your collection on the forum, I may want to offer you 20-30K for some good stuff. After I did that, however, I would expect you to insist on taking less. From the sound of things, I'll bet you don't shop with Steven Wolf.
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Peter it says that you have been a member of this forum since 2007...you must be aquainted with the search ....look up all the SS uniforms I have owned. My last one sold for $17,500 to a forum member...was it worth that? Maybe to the buyer but I sold it because it didnt do tricks, it didnt take my wife out to dinner, it didnt make music, it didnt transport me from my home to any given destination,it was NOT a work of great artistic value and only one of minimal historical value..most people in this country do not even know what the SS Cavalry was nor do they care. The historical significance is based on the tragedy of its victims rather than the life of the men who wore it.
No I do not buy from Wolfe and many who have end up selling thier stuff back because in reality they borrow to buy and find out debt is a prison...Ive been to his shop and his home in years past and bought a few things but refuse to pay into uniforms that have no provence priced so high..last time I went he had a closet full some had been sold and returned because I saw them 10 years earlier in his inventory so I trust they dont sell like hotcakes.
Buy the one for sale by oakleaf its better than many Ive seen in a long time .. and you seem to think its worth it.
Id post pictures of all my tunics but Ive since erradicated them from my files...I hang around these forums just in case...I was an amatuer herpetologist from my youth I can tell you what kind of snake people are messing with from a distance..poisonous or harmless.. and I have alot of friends who still like this hobby
Peter why does value concern you so much wouldnt you like to have nice pieces that are just fun to own and worth some money but still affordable to enjoy?Last edited by John Pic; 02-02-2009, 12:54 AM.Comment
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About the money and the prices, I agree, I would never pay $30K for ANY tunic. There are many other things that will definately give you a lot more of excitement, self-confidence, comfort, pleasure, respect, etc.
For example for about $30000 you can drive this beaut, SL500 one of the most luxury, stylish and beautiful cars ever build. Could be yours instead, drive it and have fun! Life is too short and to live only in the past/history and not to enjoy your modern time ?
Of course those who already have everything in their life, surely now can spend money for this hobby only, but I doubt it, because those who have high-end pieces in their collections and pay these crazy prices IMO wear $15-jeans, listen to cheap-stereo and drive trucks..
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If its all fine and original, and there seems to be a consensus here that it is, I'd love to own it, HOWEVER, Ive got to agree with John on this one, being in debt up to your ears on this stuff is like a prison, no fun at all, I've been there, and its been downright hard to "ween" myself out of that cell. I'd certainly love to own the set, however, Im getting an awful bad vibe about the way the economy is going to play out over the next few years, and I think it may be time to make sure one has his ducks in a row, enough cash to ride out the storm, and take care of the vitals, food shelter, and the essentials we all take for granted. Digging through my closets today to find one item took hours, I was just plain worn out, I found my FIVE sets of panzer headphones and throatmikes, looked around and thought to myself, what the hell do I need five sets of panzer headphones and throat mikes for? It all got a bit too strange of a feeling, and I've come to the point where I have most all I could ever want, and the rest that I do want, with the prices, I'll just buy books and admire. This hobby is soo obsessive that you really gotta step back at times and say "what for"...anyway, just some thoughts. I love owning the nice stuff, big AND small, but sometimes your realize that you have to set that limit somewhere, and just enjoy what you have, focus on a thing or two, and as John said, realize that none of this stuff makes up for lost things/pleasures that this hobby also in some ways robs us of. That being said, if I had 23k to blow, and several million in the bank, I'd go for it, but Im not at that point, and have also found some other niceoutlets for buying ie, nice furniture, going places with the wife, and making memories that do really mean a lot more than some of these things. Im sure, however, someone will buy it, and a lot of the other very high end pieces out there, remember someone paid 55k for whamonds SS generals white summer visor recently, so there are guys out there that just have to have it~I still get just as much pleasure looking at a pair of Heer tan/water winter pants or a nice Harmonica and booklet as I do the SS stuff.Comment
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Was this jacket not discussed before? Something about the ghost of a removed breast eagle.
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Breast Eagle
NO, that was the SS doctors tunic, and there was no breast eagle outline, only a vivid imagination of one.Originally posted by Glenn McInnes View Post
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To each his own...
To each his own John......One thing for sure is, I am confident we are all delighted with the current value of our SS collecting investments. Seeing even the simplest things selling for big bucks makes me feel good. How high will things go, I do not know. Think back to that date you quoted, 1987 and the $4000. That too was a lot of money then. Within recent memory, I recall my friends telling me I was crazy for paying $100-$150 for ss skulls and eagles. I am glad I did not listen to them.Originally posted by John Pic View PostPeter it says that you have been a member of this forum since 2007...you must be aquainted with the search ....look up all the SS uniforms I have owned. My last one sold for $17,500 to a forum member...was it worth that? Maybe to the buyer but I sold it because it didnt do tricks, it didnt take my wife out to dinner, it didnt make music, it didnt transport me from my home to any given destination,it was NOT a work of great artistic value and only one of minimal historical value..most people in this country do not even know what the SS Cavalry was nor do they care. The historical significance is based on the tragedy of its victims rather than the life of the men who wore it.
No I do not buy from Wolfe and many who have end up selling thier stuff back because in reality they borrow to buy and find out debt is a prison...Ive been to his shop and his home in years past and bought a few things but refuse to pay into uniforms that have no provence priced so high..last time I went he had a closet full some had been sold and returned because I saw them 10 years earlier in his inventory so I trust they dont sell like hotcakes.
Buy the one for sale by oakleaf its better than many Ive seen in a long time .. and you seem to think its worth it.
Id post pictures of all my tunics but Ive since erradicated them from my files...I hang around these forums just in case...I was an amatuer herpetologist from my youth I can tell you what kind of snake people are messing with from a distance..poisonous or harmless.. and I have alot of friends who still like this hobby
Peter why does value concern you so much wouldnt you like to have nice pieces that are just fun to own and worth some money but still affordable to enjoy?
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I completely agree with John, that uniform along with the rest of the great looking SS uniforms, wrappers, and headgear have been on that website for a long perod of time, and in my experience something like this uniform, if real or priced anywhere close to reality, would have been gone the second or third day it came available for sale, let alone posted on a website. I will not cast judgement on authenticity of any merchandise on this website, furthermore I will say that Chris Anderson has an honest reputation from what I heard. But I am always leary when I observe such a high volume of "fantastic" merchandise which is available for sale, and has been for a while. This in my mnd means that it has problems or is very highly priced. The only individual that I know that has a high volume of authentic high-end merchandise always available, is Steve Wolfe, but I think everyone knows why someone has not yet purchased all his inventory, it is very highly priced. Is this the same case with Oakleaf militaria? Who knows maybe?? Just my humble opinion.Originally posted by John Pic View PostComment
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Most Tunics that are highly desirable never make it on to any Website.Comment
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Originally posted by Scott A. Hess View Post
I am really impressed at all of the valuable insight being presented here.
Sometimes it's better to step back and place yourself into proper perspective - one must decide which things in life are much more important than others. It's great to hear this from someone else around here for once!
I too would enjoy building a new collection again, but my personal pocketbook simply will not allow me the perceived pleasure of some things in Life. Fortunate for me - I have discovered that many other pleasures in Life are just as, if not more than, fulfilling . . .
In this particular case, just being able to see and appreciate a nice tunic will be sufficient . . .
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What do feel would be a reasonable price for the Oberbayern tunic?
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