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Sal,
These pieces need to be taken down inch by inch and looked at. You are free to make that call if you wish. I am down to the plaque, if we cant get an answer to that, then I will go to the base.
Whats the hurry?. Slow down my friend, these are nice items to look at and toy with. Sometimes things are just not black and white. . I have seen some pretty weird pieces that were real.
The plaque is the key I think, but whether its real or not does not really matter as the market value is low. Personally "its fake" or "its fantasy" does not do it for me. I like to look at things.
If you want to harp on photo's on E-stand, then start a thread for photo's on e-stand. What you posted for here is opinions on this piece. The seller has already listed a bad piece of porcelain if I am not mistaken, this is probably #2.
Best,
Kris
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Hi Guys,
thanks for all the comments and opinions. I'm happy to get all this info about it. Myself, Im a bit more expert in paperwork, then in this kind of "hardware".
But, thats why we have the Forum, and thanks to Sal to put it there.
For myself I took it of my sales list in meantime, will wait for further outcome. And of course I think I have sold so far only good items to all my customers. And if I have a repro or postwar I would put it in the bazaar.
So, thanks to all so far and happy reading and writing.
Thanks, Kai
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Originally posted by Vid View PostSal,
These pieces need to be taken down inch by inch and looked at. You are free to make that call if you wish. I am down to the plaque, if we cant get an answer to that, then I will go to the base.
Whats the hurry?. Slow down my friend, these are nice items to look at and toy with. Sometimes things are just not black and white. . I have seen some pretty weird pieces that were real.
The plaque is the key I think, but whether its real or not does not really matter as the market value is low. Personally "its fake" or "its fantasy" does not do it for me. I like to look at things.
If you want to harp on photo's on E-stand, then start a thread for photo's on e-stand. What you posted for here is opinions on this piece. The seller has already listed a bad piece of porcelain if I am not mistaken, this is probably #2.
Best,
Kris
Since Kai took it off his sale list there is no harm. I was concerned while it was up for sale. Thanks Kai
Best, Sal
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Originally posted by Robin Lumsden View PostIt's the wording on the plaque that puts me off.
The prize should relate to a particular sport, or Junkerschule course................not just '1st Prize in the SS Sports Contests'.
It doesn't make sense.
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Originally posted by Vid View PostSal,
These pieces need to be taken down inch by inch and looked at. You are free to make that call if you wish. I am down to the plaque, if we cant get an answer to that, then I will go to the base.
Whats the hurry?. Slow down my friend, these are nice items to look at and toy with. Sometimes things are just not black and white. . I have seen some pretty weird pieces that were real.
The plaque is the key I think, but whether its real or not does not really matter as the market value is low. Personally "its fake" or "its fantasy" does not do it for me. I like to look at things.
If you want to harp on photo's on E-stand, then start a thread for photo's on e-stand. What you posted for here is opinions on this piece. The seller has already listed a bad piece of porcelain if I am not mistaken, this is probably #2.
Best,
Kris
Best, Sal
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Originally posted by Sal Williams View PostAre you and Robin contemplating that this was officially made, or that it was hand made/modified for some local small SS sport event?
Best, Sal
I think I know what this is, it was modified and it was done a long, long time ago. Throw the base and the plaque out of the equation entirely. The piece was never intended to make sense.
Kai where did you get this and from who??.
Best,
KrisLast edited by Vid; 08-29-2008, 03:38 PM.
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This piece was never re-plated, it was original. And the runes were not made but were pre-fab. They were cut out of another piece.
There is no attempt whatsoever to hide what the guy did to this piece, if there was and it was re-plated then he would of no doubt plated the runes as well. And the plating is showing every trait of being original, look at the wear at the waist. If I were going to grab this piece where would I reach? the waist.
I would bet that this piece was bought home from the war as an Olympic figure. Either the person who bought it home or someone else got creative with a second piece that came home with it. Maybe a medal or whatever. He cuts out the runes and hand finishes the edges to place them inside what would have been a hollow wreath. But they don't fit.
So, he takes a torch and cuts the top of the wreath off, leaving a blob of melted plating and pot medal on the top of the right arm of the wreath. He does not care, he probably cut up a piece worth more than the statue to get the runes.
He solders the runes in place and he is done with his trophy. Not exactly a hack job but not meant to deceive either. Someone comes along and buys the piece and adds the base and the plaque and probably removes the original marble base that this would have sat on and looks to cash in.
Sounds crazy I guess, but if the runes were hand made, he could have made them fit, but he was not interested in that as it would be time consuming.
This was a cast piece, and the blob of metal on the wreath is not a casting flaw. That saw extreme heat.
Whether this is what happened, I really cant be sure. But whoever did this piece was not trying to hide his work. And unlss someone wants to bless that plaque its a reasonable explanation. A Veteran and a tinkerer is responsible for this piece.
jmoLast edited by Vid; 08-29-2008, 04:24 PM.
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a half-wreath with the ends seeming to be crudely chopped off and, especially, runes emerging from a victor's fingers seems ... peculiar.
also ss sports kit didn't include civilian belts with metal buckles did it - let alone bare chests. tho I realize uniform details don't always apply to IIId reich art.
anyhow, while a nice casting and possibly silver-plated (any marks?) to me it looks put together.
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