Wewelsburg heraldic plaque

[Thorsten B.]

Also you toss in DHW when this would have been a privately made entity not a mass or semi mass designed item, so no DHW tie there.

I "tossed" in DHW simply because both this period wooden plaque bearing the crest and symbol of the Sippe and DHW products were made for representing a new rural germanic design and elitist lifestyle and taking these facts and the resulting outward appearance of the pieces together they are a perfect match.

[Anthony Evans]

You're assuming it's of the period off a story.

Just because it has some some of the same symbology doesn't automatically mean SS or elitist. It looks like it has shovels on the top of the shield could easily indicate that the guy was part of the arbiet group since you want to argue about symbols, and they would have been interested in life of plants also hence the life rune. Tossing in a book shelf does nothing for your argument either.

[J C Gray]

Would be cool to have one with my family name.

It just so happens that you can have one made by a "deutschen Kunsthandwerker (Meister)" for about 500 Euros here: http://heraldikshop.de/product_info....8999388aed7fe6 ...any type of wood you like; "Maße ca: 45 cm Höhe, 30 - 35 cm Breite".

[Thorsten B.]

You're assuming it's of the period off a story...Tossing in a book shelf does nothing for your argument either.

As we all know that "argument" could be used against any period cultural item - including Michael´s shared "Wewelsburg" heraldic plaque or the cultural wooden plate visable in your avator pic.

Or are they dated? If so that date could be a later addition, right?

As stated I got it out of first hand and it´s artistic composition speaks it´s own language anyway and the shown book shelf is the very rare DHW closet Nr. 82 - pictured within the well-known DHW furniture catalogue so nothing to argue about that.

[J C Gray]

I agree that it is beautifully carved, but, it is not a 'crest'...the term 'Crest' (Helmkleinod) only refers to the part of the whole armorial achievement which sits on top of the helm.
I am not convinced in this case that the Crest (Helmkleinod) and Charge (Schildfigur) are runic symbols...given the overall style of the Wappenzusammensetzung, it is more likely that this design represents the 'Crucifixus Dolorosus' or 'Forked Cross' (Gabelkreuz) than the 'Man' or 'Leben' Rune from which it was adapted (to suit the medieval Christian Church).
It could also be argued that the three spades in the chief are indicative of National Socialist ideals, but in reality, the spade/shovel/trowel has been a common heraldic charge for centuries. I also doubt that the Nazis held the monopoly on the octagon.
Regardless of when it was made, it is still a beautiful example of heraldic wood carving.

...forgot to add that in Medieval times, the Galbelkreuz was particularly common in the Westfalen/Rhineland area as both a heraldic charge (Schildfigur) and shield partition (Schildteilung)...below are some 15th. Century examples which show it in various forms.

[Anthony Evans]

Patina is also on both are items though. Not to noticeable on your item could just be lighting.

Again dhw items have no real relevance to this thread since these would have been made by local carpenters and not something picked from a catalog. By your theory then anything third reich could be just tossed in, as the DHW was made by germans for germans.

[Thorsten B.]

...forgot to add that in Medieval times, the Galbelkreuz was particularly common in the Westfalen/Rhineland area as both a heraldic charge (Schildfigur) and shield partition (Schildteilung)...below are some 15th. Century examples which show it in various forms.

John, that is a very nice and helpful add to this thread!

It shows the kind of literature and examples artists in the period used as historical guidelines when creating a new style of heraldry which can also be seen in various Ahnenerbe and other period publications.

[PHILBROWN]

personally i love thors threads and items regardless of heritage,age or culture

[N.C. Wyeth]

this could have been from a ww1 vet, the helmet almost reminds of the stalhelm helmet.

Anthony Evans - I think this is most likely . . . with such a helmet included in the ensemble, I have serious doubts for this plaque being related to the Wewelsburg . . . or for it being of direct connection to such. Although, one could fantasize, I suppose . . .

[Michael Fay]

Anthony Evans - I think this is most likely . . . with such a helmet included in the ensemble, I have serious doubts for this plaque being related to the Wewelsburg . . . or for it being of direct connection to such. Although, one could fantasize, I suppose . . .

of course it has some connection to a WWI vet and/or the right wing paramilitary groups after the first war. That should be patently obvious. Likewise such connection does not preclude a W., connect. In fact it makes exact perfect sense if you read the historical documentation on the plaques to be created and hung there.
As for fantasizing ...sure, Robin Lumsden may have done so.

Whatever it is, with or without a W., connect, it fits my collecting interests.