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**NTZ** · 12-11-2007, 08:49 PM

Originally posted by busterz111 View Post

I have this picture in my collection,not sure if its an original or an old reprint,Just posting.

Man I hate to break it to you but I think I see the shadow of a breast eagle on that tunic.

**SgtB** · 12-11-2007, 08:52 PM

Originally posted by NTZ View Post

Man I hate to break it to you but I think I see the shadow of a breast eagle on that tunic.

Sorry! I'm not seein' it!

**busterz111** · 12-11-2007, 09:48 PM

Lolx2

**Lasse Kongo** · 12-12-2007, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by NTZ View Post

As an army collector who buys a lot of officer’s tunics I will say one thing I noticed between true SS officers and Heer officers. The SS tunics tend to have pointer collars and deeper scallops on the pockets. Maybe it was a fashion thing with the SS? This one does have some pretty deep scallops. For what ever reason army tended to be more conservative in those areas. Just an observation.

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I have to disagree, ever been looking at period photos? This style is the Austrian one and have nothing to do with SS. It may be that SS soldiers liked the smarter look, but that is it.

Lasse

**Lasse Kongo** · 12-12-2007, 05:27 PM

Originally posted by NTZ View Post

Do you guys think there was more “style” to SS tunics because they did not come from (for the most part) the same military traditions as Heer officers? They may have been more apt to follow fashion trends and not tradition? Just a few thoughts.

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That is more like it.

**Lasse Kongo** · 12-12-2007, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by Dr. Strangelove View Post

I believe NTZ might be right. It is only a theory of mine, but I believe that the SS was trying to escape Prussian Military tradition when they opted for the long pointy collars and other non-Army tunic features. We have to remember that it was National Socialism and Hitler was a Socilaist. A class leveler. Promotion in the SS was not based less on your connections/family as was the old tradition in the German Army. I believe it was Hitler who got rid of the uppercase V in von which of course preceded many blue-blood names. So the thinking is that Hitlers private National Socialist Army wants to look a little different. So as an SS tunic collector these features we are discussing are things I like to see.

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Whereever did you make up these assumptions?? The v in von have allways been written in small letters since like the 1500 century.

Lasse

**Lasse Kongo** · 12-12-2007, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by NTZ View Post

DR., the more I think about what I said the more it makes sense. The SS officer felt a sense of superiority over the army officer (even though for the most part it was untrue

). He wanted to stand out, look good for the ladies and probably wanted his uniform to mimic as close as possible the latest fashion trends. He wanted to look progressive (the new breed) and not be stuck in Prussian traditions. On the other side the Heer officer was probable just the opposite. He had a sense of military tradition and he himself felt superior to the SS officer. He was from a military background and proud of tradition. The army officer probably stuck much closer to regulations than the SS officer.

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Woow, that really rest on researched facts.

Keep on dreaming.

Lasse

**Lasse Kongo** · 12-12-2007, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by John Pic View Post

If you stare hard enough you can see an eagle on everything. Try it,stare at some wool cloth and imagine an eagle it will appear.

Ill give Glenn and Boni the benefit of the doubt here because in my experiences many of the SS officers tunics Ive seen and handled had the breast eagle ghosts either holes or shadows that only appeared under UV. I dont see it on this one and Ive seen tunics with moth tracks and other shadows that could cause over paranoia as well.You wont know until you look at it in person. But the circled area looks too small to be a Heer eagle outline to me.I do see a little u shaped area near the pocket in the center.
Now all that aside the tunic due to the altered cuff length may very well have been a re-issued heer tunic worth what someone is willing to pay.

Dr.S that is Arlo on the back of the Alice's Restaurant album.

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Agreed!

Lasse

**Lasse Kongo** · 12-12-2007, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by NTZ View Post

For those who see a bird I am not so sure it is paranoia. A little playing around with PhotoShop and bringing the details in a 3-D mode you certainly can see some impression that resembles an Adler.

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Yes, or maybe a little Clown?

Lasse

**Lasse Kongo** · 12-12-2007, 05:39 PM

Originally posted by John Pic View Post

When you have a breast eagle shadow other factors do play in but anyone who is real familiar with studying tunics and doesnt just buy them from name brand dealers like some boneheads do so they can Say "Gee I have a textbook tunic" would know this.
Whats more hilarious is Ive seen tunics given high praise by "experts" on these forums and in person the switchover stands out clearly.
Id have to say its my opinion that if you neglect weighing in the whole item to see what you have and just discount it based on the boneheaded logic of a post war collector who has no real idea of what the SS did to get tunics then you sell yourself out. The shows and forums are full of guys that only collect things that someone else recomended to them thats fine but please dont try and convince everyone you know anything when all you know is you dont have one and youre afraid of them because your best pal the "real" expert told you to be.

There are more than a few photos of SS officers wearing Breast eagles seconded to Heer schools for training..there are enough photos of SS officers in Heer uniform prior to being assigned to the SS..do you think they threw away all thier old uniforms when they were assigned to the SS? In 44 and 45 many SS officers were replacements from the Heer.I use my head when I look at these tunics I dont just base my conclusions on a picture on a website and the comments from "experts" who gained that status because they own a few tunics and now can say for certain because of those few tunics how they ALL should look. I wait until I see the item itself.

I appreciate Glenns approach and agree with him. Ive known of the tunic since it surfaced it was offered twice to me at a discount since and I didnt buy it.Simply because of such stigma associated with tunics converted and or retailored. But I always reserve final judgement for when I see it in hand.

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Very much agreed!

Lasse

**Lasse Kongo** · 12-12-2007, 05:40 PM

Originally posted by John Pic View Post

Well said.
It seems these forums are more about establishing a heirarchy..pointing out others mistakes with glut and glee and more to embarass than anything else and not owning up to the mistakes made by the untouchables.

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Could not agree more!

Lasse

**Lasse Kongo** · 12-12-2007, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by NTZ View Post

One thing to take into consideration also. If you were to put together an SS tunic first off would it be a doctors? Second wouldn’t you make sure the boards you used were SS and not army? Not that it can determine when it was done but it is something to consider.

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Absolutly, well thought!

Lasse

**NTZ** · 12-12-2007, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by Lasse Kongo View Post

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Absolutly, well thought!

Lasse

At least I got one thought out of 10 right.

I said I liked it. For me I give it more than a 50/50. I was just bringing into play all the variables.

**Lasse Kongo** · 12-12-2007, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by B. N. Singer View Post

Good Lord, at least I made it on a list!!!

B. N. Singer

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You are on more lists, don´t worry!

Lasse

**Lasse Kongo** · 12-12-2007, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by NTZ View Post

Here is the pic again. Sorry but I see it.

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I see nothing!

Lasse

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