Request help in id of SS cap set

[navalgunner]

Hi,
I am requesting your opinions on these items that I have. I believe they are replicas. The seller believes they are real and stands by them. Also states that he received the eagle from a veteran. The eagle is thin aluminum. With aluminum tabs. It is marked SS, RZM 155/38 on the lower wing.
The skull is a heavier metal, with prongs. It is marked RZM and M9/72 is stamped on the upper lip. It looks like brass with heavy german silver. I have asked 3 local dealer “experts” and they all tell me that they are fakes. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Just returned from Iraq and trying to catch up on a year of no collecting. I’m new to this site, still trying to figure out the picture loading. Thanks for patience. Hobie
picture link is below I will try to add detailed pics.

http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/navalgunner

I have added more detailed pics to the above link other than what I have shown,,,

[navalgunner]

ss cap set more info

sorry eagle is marked 155/38

[Ian Hulley]

'155' is the Hersteller (manufacturer's) number for E W. Assmann & Sohne, L******252;denscheid. The '38' is the year of manufacture. Based on the photo you've posted I'd be very worried about that eagle .... it's a very poor shot though.


'M9/72' is an RZM contract code. The 'M9' is for the type of object, in this case a tinnie (day or rally badge) the '72' is for Wilhelm Kolwitz, Bergedorf , Hamburg. Therefore this wouldn't appear on cap insignia, for which the code was 'M1'.

Ian.

[navalgunner]

another picture

another picture

[bwanek1]

The TK is pure crap, but the eagle looks like an original from what I can see in the photos. It is a bit worse for wear, but that is not an easy bird to find!

[Ian Hulley]

From the updated pics I'm inclined to agree with Brad.

Ian.

[Wolf100]

The TK is crap, the eagle imho might be good!

[dhunter93]

I am not a fan of the eagle..

[navalgunner]

Eagle status

thanks to all who provided feedback. I had brought the eagle to Bill of The Ruptured Duck, who informed me they were both bad, that the eagle was made in the 1970 by a company, sorry I cant recall the name. any more insite into the eagle? it does not seem like quality from 1938. thanks. I am still thinking about returning it to the seller.

[navalgunner]

posting scanned pics of eagle

hopefully these are better. still not certain if real or not this is the markings on the rear

[navalgunner]

eagle front

close up of eagle front

[navalgunner]

eagle rear

close up of eagle rear

[navalgunner]

eagle rear color

another shot in color, I used some of my wifes makeup to bring out the markings, I dont think I faired to well. hence the rust tone on the left side

[tgn]

What are all the black spots on the front of the eagle?
Tom

[navalgunner]

black spots

Black spots are old grease I believe, they rub off with damp cloth