SS Panzer Wrap

[BenVK]

Not at all Tom, seems to me you're just trying to get some honest answers to some honest questions..

[B. N. Singer]

All the cloak and dagger bollocks about this tunic is just nauseating...

And some of you older guys wonder why the younger generation of collectors don't show you enough respect?!

Well then what about me???

B. N. Singer

[B. N. Singer]

I respect Bob, Bryon, Bob H., however my respect for them, does make me take everything they say at face value.... Again I will ask, where was the tunic from 1945- 1970????...I am shocked that all the "old collectors" on this forum are sticking to their stories. I guess pride means more to some than facing the truth.

Thank you very much for the kind words.

Like the jacket or not, your choice, for whatever reasons you choose.

But, may I ask, how many items that you own can be positively documented from 1945? Asking the same of my own collection, the answer is Very Few! If that is to be one of a persons "collecting criteria" then I would have to believe that they will have a Very Small collection.

As to pride over truth, I must take some issue with you; and will assume that your comment is not meant to be negative. I do have a respectable amount of pride in my conduct, and I would Not be supporting an item that I did not believe in.

B. N. Singer

[Leroy]

May I ask a simple question?
Forgetting the liner, the insignia, the provenance, etc., etc. .......IS THE UNDERLYING BLACK SHELL WRAP ORIGINAL OR NOT?
Surely, someone here can answer this with real authority and tell us why it is or is not.
If it is not, this entire exercise is a waste of time.

[BlackBelt]

Well then what about me???

B. N. Singer

Lets try this approach and see what happens. This is to anyone involved with the tunics history, whether it be current/ former ownership, hands on inspector etc.

1. Where was the tunic located prior to its aquisition in the 1970's?

2. Precisly what year was it found?

3. Who found it?

4. Where, and under what circumstances was it found/ aquired?

5. What brought you specificly to the conclusion that the tunic in and of itself was 100% authentic?

6. What has been the chain of ownership (in other words who owned it/ when)

Last and most importantly

7. Why have most if not all the sale requirments on this tunic started with the caveat "you can not post it on any boards, or in public forums?"

Now there are basic quesitons any person interested in aquiring the item should be asking, now lets see the answers from the involved parties.

[Leroy]

A very reasonable set of questions.
It appears, so far, to be uncontradicted that:
The insignia are real.
The liner is a real liner, but from something else.
Back to basics!

[BlackBelt]

Thank you very much for the kind words.

Like the jacket or not, your choice, for whatever reasons you choose.

But, may I ask, how many items that you own can be positively documented from 1945? Asking the same of my own collection, the answer is Very Few! If that is to be one of a persons "collecting criteria" then I would have to believe that they will have a Very Small collection.

As to pride over truth, I must take some issue with you; and will assume that your comment is not meant to be negative. I do have a respectable amount of pride in my conduct, and I would Not be supporting an item that I did not believe in.

B. N. Singer

Let me adress point to point:

1. "how many items that you own can be positively documented from 1945? "

All of the SS pieces in my private collection.

2. " If that is to be one of a persons "collecting criteria" then I would have to believe that they will have a Very Small collection."
Yes my collection is modest/ small. I do not strive for quantity, I go for quality, and authentisity only. In fairness I do have a cap that I am questioning the insignia on, which could have been switched by the vet himself, or at the museum.

3. "I do have a respectable amount of pride in my conduct, and I would Not be supporting an item that I did not believe in."
I agree, and understand that you truely believe in this tunic. The question is why? Your conduct all thought not crude is hyper allusive on this issue, which could calls your motives, by some into doubt .


Please address the questions I posted on the most recent page, to clarify your belief in the tunic.

[B. N. Singer]

Lets try this approach and see what happens. This is to anyone involved with the tunics history, whether it be current/ former ownership, hands on inspector etc.

1. Where was the tunic located prior to its aquisition in the 1970's?

2. Precisly what year was it found?

3. Who found it?

4. Where, and under what circumstances was it found/ aquired?

5. What brought you specificly to the conclusion that the tunic in and of itself was 100% authentic?

6. What has been the chain of ownership (in other words who owned it/ when)

Last and most importantly

7. Why have most if not all the sale requirments on this tunic started with the caveat "you can not post it on any boards, or in public forums?"

Now there are basic quesitons any person interested in aquiring the item should be asking, now lets see the answers from the involved parties.

Since you seem to be specifically asking these questions of me, I will accommodate you to the best that I can. Despite the fact that you are Not an interested party in owning the item.

1. Where was the tunic located prior to its aquisition in the 1970's?... I have no knowledge.

2. Precisly what year was it found?... As above.

3. Who found it?... As above.

4. Where, and under what circumstances was it found/ aquired?... In AZ in the mid 70's

5. What brought you specificly to the conclusion that the tunic in and of itself was 100% authentic?... My examination of the piece over the time I owned it.

6. What has been the chain of ownership (in other words who owned it/ when)... I bought it in 80 from the "original collector" (to the best of my knowledge) that found it, and have owned it until several months ago.

7. Why have most if not all the sale requirments on this tunic started with the caveat "you can not post it on any boards, or in public forums?" ...To my knowledge the tunic was Not posted for sale in this thread.

I am certain that will not be acceptable, but I cannot offer you anything more, as I do not know anything more.

B. N. Singer

[tgn]

7. Why have most if not all the sale requirments on this tunic started with the caveat "you can not post it on any boards, or in public forums?"

Blackbelt (BTW, why don't you post your real name?), who stated this caveat?

Tom

[SJP]

The collar eyelet is a non-issue.There are plenty of period photo's showing it positioned off center to varying degrees.
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Cheers Steve

[B. N. Singer]

[ Your conduct all thought not crude is hyper allusive on this issuec.

How so??

B. N. Singer

[BlackBelt]

Let me adress point to point:

1. "how many items that you own can be positively documented from 1945? "

All of the SS pieces in my private collection.

2. " If that is to be one of a persons "collecting criteria" then I would have to believe that they will have a Very Small collection."
Yes my collection is modest/ small. I do not strive for quantity, I go for quality, and authentisity only.

3. "I do have a respectable amount of pride in my conduct, and I would Not be supporting an item that I did not believe in."
I agree, and understand that you truely believe in this tunic. The question is why? Your conduct all thought not crude is hyper allusive on this issue, which could calls your motives, by some into doubt .


Please address the questions I posted on the most recent page, to clarify your belief in the tunic.

Mr. Singer

With all due respect, you have not answered one of the questions. The questions posed were for specifics. Cloak & dagger once again. So the questions still remain for the next batter.

[BlackBelt]

How so??

B. N. Singer

You either can not, or will not answer direct questions with information that can be checked. Your answers are vague and incomplete.

[BlackBelt]

Blackbelt (BTW, why don't you post your real name?), who stated this caveat?

Tom

Are you saying that this little piece of info is not true?

[B. N. Singer]

Mr. Singer
...Cloak & dagger once again...

Yes well, I knew it would not suffice

B. N. Singer