Der Fuhrer Obersturmbannfuhrer Tunic

[judas]

Judas you can't beat provenance ! And I'm sure Bob H. can attest that through his multitude of vet buys, the amount of SS tunic's aquired is low to none. Thats why provenance in collecting SS tunic's is everything. Otherwise you will always wonder in the back of your mind if it's "real". A tunic does not need to be text book to be real, but knowing it's history completely helps .

you are right and once again i must say you have a good eye i have two ss tunics named with files and so on the other ss tunics are just what they are should that make them eny less real because they are not named i wish i could say ever think i have was .were do you draw the line say if the single tab has not come off a named tunic with photo of the vet holding it should we say no to it.

[John Pic]

I think you missed the question Judas just asked..Does it make a tunic any less real because its not named and has no proof?

[Lasse Kongo]

Anyone seeing a picture Kumm or Weidiger with a tunic where the boards where put on the wrong way?

Lasse

[GFM]

Anyone seeing a picture Kumm or Weidiger with a tunic where the boards where put on the wrong way?

Lasse

Well, just for 'starters', there is a pic of Kumm with backwards boards on page 58 of Yerger's "Waffen SS Commanders" book...actually two, one studio and one in the field. And also on page 56 (two more pics), page 53 (non-matching boards, one on correctly, one on backwards), page 46 (both backwards). If you take the time to look through just that volume you'll notice many, many pictures of field grade and general officers with backward boards. In fact, you don't have to look in Yergers.....look at any period photos of officers.

[Gregory Koepp]

Bob, NOW I SEE!!!

CHA-CHING$$$$$$$

first off Bob love it! nothing wrong with those tab's, and for anyone to say these were made back in the 60's is STUPID! as John and others have said they were not made like this then, and "IF" they had you would see more on the market. I am not an SS collector due to the cost of items and time, but I have no problems with Bob's coat, BUT do have problems with web-site new shooters like Jerry45, for this man or? to say what he says and show nothing but words is not cutting it for me and others and am getting sick of the crap. you joined this site Jerry45 last year and you say you have been collecting from the 60's? please where have you been for so long? what sites have you been on for so long and what items of yours have you shown as a comparison? sorry but i'm not the only one thinking this.. for a statement like i am not showing what i have on the web-site or Internet is like "they" all know where you live and are going to get you? look there are men and women on this forum that show items that are hundreds of thousands of dollars, to post war made $1.00 items and so if your going to keep your secret collection to yourself cool, but your still not going to be believed. where have you been? new to the computer world?

Bob, sorry your posting didn't need this but others did.

Bob, keep'm coming, you own and have owned more than most ever will. By the way Bob love all your photos in SO many Books too.

Gregory koepp

[TonyS]

Ha Ha - well put Gregory. Or in other words:

"Put up or shut up"

I would like to see some of these fantastic hidden collections everyone whispers about, but the owners who post here never show............

[John Pic]

The "Panzer Liar" strikes again

[TonyS]

i have offered to show tunics named and unnamed ss and army and none german battle worn to show differnent wear and color at differnent times but no one has helped me to put photos up when i have asked to add to a topic so i take it most have all the tunics them selfs so whats the point??a lest i know i can back up with them not like some

Judas, I can post photos for you if you want - it's not hard to do. You just have to have a strong stomach (and maybe a steel helmet) for the comments that will come your way though.

You can email me at tony@pfmstock.com

[Hardigan]

Look what I found , the same pattern runes ! And of course there are more different patterns made those days .

[B. N. Singer]

The "Panzer Liar" strikes again

Can someone inform the "naive" (i.e., me), who is The "Panzer Liar"????

B. N. Singer

[Mike Davis]

Look what I found , the same pattern runes ! And of course there are more different patterns made those days .

"Same pattern runes"? I'm not seeing it....

[Mark C. Yerger]

seems odd all think it belongs to Weidinger or Kumm. Neither were close to that rank prewar (for prewar insignia) and they weren't the only DF officers of that rank. Sleeve titles were worn with later units if the new assignment didn't have one.

[Mark C. Yerger]

I don't really understand why Kumm would have pre-war quality insignia for an Obersturmbannf******252;hrer when he didn't attain that rank until October 1941. Likewise I doubt Weidinger who got the rank in 1944. Other officers reached the rank who were in (part or whole) with "DF", sleeve titles were worn at later assignments if the new posting didn't have a cufftitle. Note photo of Kumm in my books with a DF sleeve title while assigned to the V.SS-Gebirgs-Korps for example.

Mark C. Yerger

[Gary Wood]

"Same pattern runes"? I'm not seeing it....

Neither am I the photo shows EM machine embroidered tabs IMO
cheers
Gary

[Gary Wood]

Can someone inform the "naive" (i.e., me), who is The "Panzer Liar"????

B. N. Singer

As Bryon above I vaguely remember the name but not the details
cheers
Gary