Trop. Lw-trouser for review...

[John Hodgin]

They were build that way, those buckels are normally found at gaitors:

Some years ago a lot of those HBT trousers were found, story was they came out of france (and were build there, too).

Agree, and if not French, certainly foreign production.

[GAMS1]

Not french made and i remember also having seen in Germany a trousers like this one
with german markings+maker and dated 1941 .
Typical buckles for the military or civilian puttees at that time .
French made stuff is quite different .
Nick

[Willi Z.]

Thanks for weighing in on this Nick.

Patrick, I think it makes sense that these (some of them) were found in France as both the 1st and 2nd FJDs were sent to Avignon in May of '43 to serve (and issued tropical uniforms) as the reserve for the 10th Armee for the Italian theater. Both formed the 1st Fallschirm Korps.

[John Hodgin]

Not french made and i remember also having seen in Germany a trousers like this one
with german markings+maker and dated 1941 .
Typical buckles for the military or civilian puttees at that time .
French made stuff is quite different .
Nick

Nick, can you show a photo of the marking, or describe it to us and tell who the maker was? Thanks, John

[Gustav 43]

Nick, can you show a photo of the marking, or describe it to us and tell who the maker was? Thanks, John

John,in the link NickG posted ( post 14 ) there is a german made pair of HBT trousers,produced by fa. Ahlers Elverdissen,dated 41...the complany is still in business today.I have some LW tropical shorts made by them,one pair made of HBT if I remember well

[John Hodgin]

John,in the link NickG posted ( post 14 ) there is a german made pair of HBT trousers,produced by fa. Ahlers Elverdissen,dated 41...the complany is still in business today.I have some LW tropical shorts made by them,one pair made of HBT if I remember well

Thanks Gustav, will look at this tonight.

The slightly different design of the thigh pocket of the trousers on this thread does not reflect the precise standard of construction normally attributed to German production.

[Jos L C]

Have seen this type in pics .. one was NSKK troops, the other a pilot ..

Jos.

[Willi Z.]

John,in the link NickG posted ( post 14 ) there is a german made pair of HBT trousers,produced by fa. Ahlers Elverdissen,dated 41...the complany is still in business today.I have some LW tropical shorts made by them,one pair made of HBT if I remember well

Wow, that discussion was almost 10 years ago. What a "blast from the past".....

[Gran Sasso]

Have seen this type in pics .. one was NSKK troops, the other a pilot ..

Jos.

Gustav also has a new foto of this type in use ;-)

[Francisco V.]

WH Gebirgsjäger Wickelgamaschen

[Gustav 43]

here such buckles used on a standard fabric ( not HBT ) produced trousers

[Gustav 43]

Gustav also has a new foto of this type in use ;-)

Yes Patrick,here some photos of what I believe are HBT tropical LW trousers in wear

[Gustav 43]

another

[GAMS1]

Nick, can you show a photo of the marking, or describe it to us and tell who the maker was? Thanks, John

I think Gustav made the answer ...i don't remember exactly the manufacturer of these pants but it was a german one for sure .
I was very surprised by the very early date ( 1941) because having these so called late war simplified buckles and fastening system was a mystery ?
Nick

[Jos L C]

Yes Patrick,here some photos of what I believe are HBT tropical LW trousers in wear

.... to be sure pics should show the particular buckles ..

Jos.