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    #196
    I agree with your there...

    If there was NO paint on it...then fine, paint all you want...but CRAP...you have an original WW2 cowling, and decide to PAINT all over it, ruining the history?

    That is what I do no like about museums...they are supposed to be preserving history...when in reality, they do nothing of the sort. All political.

    I worked on the restoration of a Spanish Me109 here in CA. It ground looped when filming "Pearl Harbor" (Ben Affleck). The wing tips were badly damaged and needed to be re-built. 4 weeks later, a set of GERMAN wingtips arrive...near mint condition. I ask where they got them from..."oh...we took them off the original German Me109". So the extremely rare WW2 German Me109 now has fiberglass wingtips, and was scavenged for parts, in order to get the POST WAR SPANISH Me109 Flying! They are a huge museum...but did not want to take the time to make new wing tips...which would have been very easy...

    So sad...

    When I asked why they would do such a thing...I was told, "well...we are a museum...not historians."
    Last edited by harrison987; 04-11-2014, 10:00 AM.

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      #197
      JU 88 Nachtjagd

      Got this in the post! original but newly paint art!

      Also the prop blades JU 52 ? and newly painted!

      best C
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        #198
        supposedly from a Stuka!

        William Kramer
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          #199
          mmmmmmmmmmm...does not "appear" to be Stuka. The rivets pattern is not correct (not enough of the them).

          Please send photos of the back.

          This is a very "suspect" piece...like many of the art pieces that are coming out of the UK.

          The paint seems purposefully weathered, and the colors are not right.





          Mike

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            #200
            is it possible that it is legit and from a different aircraft?

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              #201
              100% the aluminum is WW2 German. That is a good thing.

              Definitely not Stuka, however.

              The stringer at the back appears to be made by Messerschmitt AG.

              My concerns are the wear (which almost appears to be purposefully done)...but...those could be brush stokes that only appears that way?

              There are a lot of pieces coming out of the UK that were made in the 1970's. All were done as tributes to BoB aircraft that were shot down...and were painted on original WW2 aluminum (British, German, American)...they were never marketed as original...but after 40 years, they changed hands so many times that people are now fooled.

              They tend to have the same type of "wear" that your features...

              It matches "similar" to that of the Me110...but it is missing some rivet retails...so not that bird.

              See if there is any paint OVER the cut edges. 95% of all the faked ones were painted on aluminum that was cut BEFORE painting...so paint tended to go over top of the cut edges.

              My feeling is it is original, just based on the aluminum,

              but 100% not Me109, Me110, Ju87, Fw190, Me262, or any of the other major aircraft (fighters or bombers)...could be Me108?

              Mike

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                #202
                Swastika 1

                Here is a painted canvas insignia that was obtained from a US Army 87th Division veteran who indicated the plane was shot down near Darmstadt in April 1945. He ran over and cut the insignia from the downed aircraft. The diameter of the white circle is 11 1/2".
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                  #203
                  Swastika 2

                  Here is a painted canvas insignia that was obtained from a US Army 97th Division veteran. The dimension of the swastika is 11 1/2" square. There is trace of a white border under the black paint. The color is accurate.
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                    #204
                    Swastika 3

                    Here is an insignia that I received one day from a neighbor who was an RAF pilot stationed in North Africa. He indicated this had hung in the mess tent at his base. At one time the 4 cutouts had the photos of the actual airplane from which this had been salvaged. Sadly, those have been lost.
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                      #205
                      Swastika 3

                      A member asked for close-up photos of the hardware on the aluminum insignia. I hope this helps.
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                        #206
                        this tasty tail was for sale last year at auction (2014)
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                          #207
                          Yup...

                          and the selling price was INSANE....

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                            #208
                            Given the Wnr. what's the particular history behind this a/c? and what was the final price?

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                              #209
                              Just under $30,000.00 with auction fees.

                              The BACK SIDE is terrible...no paint, no insignia...covered in a heavy layer of brown smoke stains...UGLY as sin.

                              I went as high I as could...but some people were far crazier than I was.

                              They advertised it as being from a 1941 Battle of Britain wreck...which is probably threw people off into a frenzy.

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                                #210
                                Bf 109 question, were the vertical stabilizers always covered with metal or was a very thin wood utilized sometimes?

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