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    Enigma - Luft Blue StuG Wrap

    Well here is the "ENIGMA". An original, IMO, Luft Blue Assault Gun wrap. This in itself is enough to cause discussion, as many do not believe in their existence. Coupled with this, is the fact that it is also tailored in the W-SS cut. I have had several other advanced collectors inspect it, and they all believe it to be an original period manufactured wrap. The question is the purpose...

    I originally got the tunic and a pair of luft m44 trousers from Germany. He stated his picker got it from a house clearing...So that is the story for whatever it is worth. There are no traces of insignia and the set appears that it could have been worn by POW, etc... in the post war period.


    I have not been able to find any photographic evidence of the luft blue wool assault gun wrap, and no pictures of luft soldiers wearing W-SS cut tunics,(excluding camo items). It is also very difficult since many period photos are not in color...so judging whether a uniform is gray or blue or black is difficult.

    Interesting to note, that it does have faint markings, and recently a W-SS StuG wrap that was up for sale had marking that were almost exact from what I can tell.(hard to tell with the fading)

    All that have handled it agree that it is not a dyed piece. It is made of what I consider ww2 Italian blue airforce wool, and lined in the typical Italian Rayon material. So either made in Italy or out of Italian captured materials.

    So for discussion sake, any theories out there. Is this a real issue piece Luft BLue StuG wrap, or is it something else? Possible W-SS that used the blue wool? Another organization, or....
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          First my jackets faint markings. Second is the other ss wraps markings. They are in the same place and font, and almost identical numbers, just one or 2 digits different. sorry for the poor pic, but hard to capture it.
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                looks like italian wool.....

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                  #9
                  Interesting but I don't believe it is a Luftwaffe garment. No LBA stamp and no provisions for shoulder rank, coupled with an odd shade of blue, all together do not give me any warm fuzzies.
                  WAF LIFE COACH

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                    #10
                    oh well looks like SS made one,interesting

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                      Jerry,

                      Before I comment, I have a few questions. Can you check up in the shoulder area where shoulder board bridles would have been sewn, and see if there is any hint that any were ever attached? How about the same for buttons to secure the shoulder boards? The bottom picture in post #7 looks as if the shoulder seams may have had sew in boards at one time? Can you tell if they have been sewn shut?

                      It was most likely heavily worn as a civilian jacket post war, so that makes any forensic research that much harder.

                      Richard

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                        I THINK you may have encountered the mythical white whale !!
                        WOW !!!
                        Billbert

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                          Could it be related to the Hermann Goering tank division ?

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                            Jerry.

                            You can't post this and then walk away for the rest of the day. Where is your sense of duty to the forum? We wait with itchy fingers yearning to type ceaselessly.

                            Richard

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                              Yes, yes...I know. throw this thing at you and then walk away for a bit. I will look at it again tonight. But from my recollection regarding boards, I do not remember there being any set up for loops or buttons for the boards, ever. I will check carefully and then reconfirm tonight.

                              Now regarding LBA stamps, there could be but if so it is also faded like the size markings. The color is blue, Italian Airforce wool, and of captured stock most likely. Why it may never have been set up for boards I am not sure. But I also have an m44 tunic and it has never been set up for boards or shoulder board buttons either...

                              I know for most, they just do not believe in the tunic and never will, and that is just fine. Some will say they have not seen any photographic evidence, have never handled one they believe was real, etc... But I just throw this one out here as one that I think is a plausible real deal. I believe that at the least it is an original period made garment. Maybe it was not intended for the Luft. Maybe an ancillary group that supported the luft as in the Org Todt or NSKK had. I do not know for certain. Or maybe a W-SS wrap that used the remaining captured Italian wool during the end of the war....Just some thoughts.




                              Originally posted by Richard P View Post
                              Jerry.

                              You can't post this and then walk away for the rest of the day. Where is your sense of duty to the forum? We wait with itchy fingers yearning to type ceaselessly.

                              Richard

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