Enigma - Luft Blue StuG Wrap

[billbert]

Great item..If indeed a made for luftwaffe wrapper it would make believable sense it could be in Italian LW cloth and made in an SS cut ..HG division spent a lot a time in Italy in 43 44 did they not?? Billbert

[Richard P]

Jerry,

Thanks for showing the pants. They do seem to add a lot of validity to the uniform as a whole. How often do you see TR items made from Italian Air Force blue wool? It would be nice to have seen it as it was originally, I agree that it looks much closer to Luftwaffe blue gray in it's worn state which tends to throw the thinking off a bit. Looks like some good German cotton denim used in the pants construction.

Any signs of a breast eagle having been on it? I can see where boards and tabs might have been over looked in a vehicle uniform...but surely there would have been the national insignia? Any signs that any Luft. camo style rank was used on either arm?

Richard

[Zauberflöte]

Two photo's for clear comparison between the LW (Blue) Fliegerbluse and the wrapper framed in one image and what appears to be of the same colour..? To what I've noticed is that in general the blue will appear to be a little darker in period b/w pictures....here it seems to be of the same colour. This subscribes to the fact that wrappers may have been or have been produced in blue and not only field-grey.

One photo shows LW-Feld div. on their Sturmgesch., the other HG personal.

[Richard P]

Very nice photos...I don't believe I have seen either of those. It can really be a hard call on many of the B & W photos as to whether the wraps are blue gray or field gray?

[NickG]

Looks outstanding this set. I believe in them! Militaria magazine from France did a write up on these in 1999...
(which means nothing)...
The pants from this magazine study are not wrapper type it appears...

[NickG]

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[Richard P]

Nick,

Did they show any interior shots?

Richard

[Zauberflöte]

Nick,

Did they show any interior shots?

Richard

I take the liberty of answering Richard, nope they did not.

F

[derka]

Nick,

Did they show any interior shots?

Richard

the wrap shown in this article has standart construction,
it has been dyed in LW blue,
but i don't know if it was done pre 1945 or later.
i say this because i saw that the bias material and lining were dyed in LW blue too when i took some pics of this wrap in 1996.
all insignias are restored on it.
althought those pics have bad quality (old diapos pictured with a digital camera with maximum brightness),
here what was then its configuration with wrong insignias :









i will see if i can have best results by cleaning the diapos and using a scan.
i shall precise this wrap is not mine.

derka

[Richard P]

Hello Derka,

Thanks for weighing in...do I understand correctly that this is the same wrap from the magazine photographed later with different insignia? Personal examination of the same led you to believe that the one from the article is dyed, either wartime or postwar, but dyed.

Mike Davis is always interested in this subject and usually has many contributions, perhaps he has not seen this yet?

Richard

[NickG]

The other french example (not the one on the magazine's cover!)
Does not have a straight SS style closure, Heer in cut....
The french text states that it started life in field grey.... but was dyed blue???
or is it also Italian airforce blue wool?

[derka]

The other french example (not the one on the magazine's cover!)
Does not have a straight SS style closure, Heer in cut....
The french text states that it started life in field grey.... but was dyed blue???
or is it also Italian airforce blue wool?

re,

maybe i was not clear enought with this article.
the pics i put are from the wrap shown in #41, not the one on magazine's cover, wich is different as you noticed.
whithe backing red piped colar tabs (shown in the article) have been now removed, and there were small holes and glue hidden behind them in this area.
and the current owner (indicated in the article) cleaned them and did a great restoration job on the colar : now the wrap has only tk's directly applied on the colar, with cuff title added.
i will see at my work if i can have better pics of this dyed wrap.
derka

[NickG]

Also Italian Airforce wool it appears!
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=466949

[derka]

Also Italian Airforce wool it appears!
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=466949

no Nick,
the dyed blue wrap i had in hands was not made with the wool of italian airforce shown in this link.

derka

[Richard P]

re,

maybe i was not clear enought with this article.
the pics i put are from the wrap shown in #41, not the one on magazine's cover, wich is different as you noticed.
whithe backing red piped colar tabs (shown in the article) have been now removed, and there were small holes and glue hidden behind them in this area.
and the current owner (indicated in the article) cleaned them and did a great restoration job on the colar : now the wrap has only tk's directly applied on the colar, with cuff title added.
i will see at my work if i can have better pics of this dyed wrap.
derka

Derka,

Thanks, that would be great if you can get some more current photos. Thanks for the effort.

Richard