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    Cleaning my collection, I rediscovered this item. I bought it about 30 years ago, it was hidden in a 1938 dated 88 flak shell. I supposed that it was used for cleaning barrel. the part with metallic brush is free to turn. It fits perfectly in the 88 shell.
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    all comments are welcome. Is it german? no eagles or waffeamt.
    markings are B18984 on the external ring and B181982 on the internal

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      #3
      This is an American cleaning brush, but I don't know for which cannon.

      Similar is here............ https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ush-g104-75-mm

      https://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=654353

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        #4
        thank you. for something around 88 mm diameter
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          #5
          exactly the same than the one on forum 1911. Resolved. thanks again
          found it about 30 years ago in brittany near brest wher the fight were hard between us and german soldiers
          Originally posted by klarkon View Post
          This is an American cleaning brush, but I don't know for which cannon.

          Similar is here............ https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ush-g104-75-mm

          https://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=654353
          Last edited by jujuy; 05-14-2020, 07:37 AM.

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            #6
            BTW, that case has an electrical primer so, if original to the case, it might have been used for a tank.

            Carles

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              #7
              thanks for the information. these shell are not "upgraded". It is untouched. I bought it on a flea market. With the cleaning head, price was 30 euros.
              Originally posted by me6_130 View Post
              BTW, that case has an electrical primer so, if original to the case, it might have been used for a tank.

              Carles

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                #8
                Hello, that means that all electric primers were used in tanks? I've another flak 88 with same primer, a 40 mm etc, all dated from ww2
                Originally posted by me6_130 View Post
                BTW, that case has an electrical primer so, if original to the case, it might have been used for a tank.

                Carles

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by jujuy View Post
                  Hello, that means that all electric primers were used in tanks? I've another flak 88 with same primer, a 40 mm etc, all dated from ww2
                  German regular artillery used mechanical primers, tanks used electrical ones, in general terms. Aviation guns, some used mechanical and others used electrical. For example MG151 could use both, depending on the variant of gun on the plane. Ammo 3cm x 184b used mechanical ones for the MK101 but electrical for the MK103. See the charts posted by Klarkon in the following thread:

                  http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=610218&page=4

                  Carles
                  Last edited by me6_130; 05-18-2020, 08:12 AM.

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                    #10
                    I do believe the case for a tank round has a shoulder and for the Flak a straight wall.

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                      Originally posted by pauke View Post
                      I do believe the case for a tank round has a shoulder and for the Flak a straight wall.
                      I believe it was the same ammo for the FlaK guns and the Tiger I Kwk gun. The difference would be the primer:

                      http://old.municion.org/88/88x568Rflak.htm

                      https://forum.cartridgecollectors.or...8r-german/9723

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_I

                      Perhaps Klarkon might clarify.

                      Carles

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                        Originally posted by me6_130 View Post
                        I believe it was the same ammo for the FlaK guns and the Tiger I Kwk gun. The difference would be the primer:

                        http://old.municion.org/88/88x568Rflak.htm

                        https://forum.cartridgecollectors.or...8r-german/9723

                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_I

                        Perhaps Klarkon might clarify.

                        Carles
                        Cartridge cases for 8.8cm FlaK.18 / 36/37 and 8.8cm KwK.36 tank gun were exactly the same except for the primers.





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                          Originally posted by pauke View Post
                          I do believe the case for a tank round has a shoulder and for the Flak a straight wall.
                          Pauke,

                          Won't you be confusing this ammo with the 7,5cm for Kwk40 and the PaK40? The shells are the same but the case for the Kwk40 has a shoulder and electrical primer while that for the PaK40 is straight and has a mechanical primer.

                          Carles

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                            #14
                            It does appear I have my cases confused. Sorry about that.

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                              #15
                              well if i understand well, panzer were with electrical ingnition and flak with mechanical. something curious is that these cases are from brest and i can not rember that we 've had some tigers here. I ve some more cases with electrical primer I bought on flea market

                              Originally posted by pauke View Post
                              It does appear I have my cases confused. Sorry about that.

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