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**WalterB** · 12-31-2014, 07:43 AM

Originally posted by jacquesf View Post

Spot the similarities with this thread.
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=778057

And please, let us not ignore this one, from the creator of this thread:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=776637

Clearly jockeying into position to portray them as 100% authentic. In prior posts he has indicated that has owned many of them and he sells them: "I really do not need to make this for better selling of my helmets, but only for helping anothers to know where is the true about this helmets....for 15 years of my collecting I had hundreds of yellow and thousands black ones as I mentioned."

Thus, he clearly has a strong financial interest in portraying them as 100% authentic.

**kevinpre45** · 12-31-2014, 08:04 AM

Svm

BTW
Those two tan helmets sold several years ago. For what its worth when I bought mine in 1995 the seller said that it was a late war ord tan helm.
Kevin

**Glenn McInnes** · 12-31-2014, 08:25 AM

Originally posted by Mr. Hollywood View Post

In the end these helmets will still be post war helmets, never to be accepted as original (nor should they be). This thread is full of wishful thinking, and hoping. Only those that have the desire to believe will do so, and the rest of us will move on to more scholarly pursuits with pre 1945 helmets.

This deserves repeating!!

Glenn

**Dennis J** · 12-31-2014, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by Jos L C View Post

SV-militaria has bad reputation here so chances are low that he will pop up.
Think a load of people have other questions for him, but not about helmets ..

Jos.

I know this thing for many years and if I were you I would leave this thing alone...jmo.

Dennis J

**kevinpre45** · 12-31-2014, 08:43 AM

Great News!

Hello all
Karl from SVM responded to my e-mail! im gonna call him today and get a first hand account about these helmets! will post ASAP!
Kevin

**90th Light** · 12-31-2014, 08:44 AM

Well I have just cut the "hair of the dog" with the people staying over this festive season so first let me say "Happy New Year".

Second, lets put all the speculation about what "Aries22" motivation in starting this thread might be to one side. These sand/ tan/ brown helmets are a mystery that has not yet been fully solved. It has been with us now for nearly 30 years. Lets stay focused on who made these helmets and why. Not who is making money. Who cares, money does not buy happiness it only buys a nicer class of misery.

There are several items that were found before the Berlin wall came down such as the "Pink Smocks" and these so-called "CZ export order Egyptian helmets" which are now collector icons in their own right because they are so well known "No publicity is bad publicity" In fact the mystery around these items continues to grow. Some say "reproduction" and until more proof emerges, fair enough. However, if reproduction then these are reproductions with "real" style. Style worth all the crap from China and India today rolled into one that just could not be achieved after WW2.

The only problem with the easy answer of "reproduction" it just does not explain the fact nagging away of something made before May 1945 and discovered before the wall came down.

Please gentlemen, lets "select and maintain our aim" and that is "who" made these helmets, "where" and "when". Believe it or not this thread has made some "real" progress in that direction.

Again a happy and prosperous new year,

Chris

**WalterB** · 12-31-2014, 09:05 AM

Originally posted by 90th Light View Post

Well I have just cut the "hair of the dog" with the people staying over this festive season so first let me say "Happy New Year".

Second, lets put all the speculation about what "Aries22" motivation in starting this thread might be to one side. These sand/ tan/ brown helmets are a mystery that has not yet been fully solved. It has been with us now for nearly 30 years. Lets stay focused on who made these helmets and why. Not who is making money. Who cares, money does not buy happiness it only buys a nicer class of misery.

There are several items that were found before the Berlin wall came down such as the "Pink Smocks" and these so-called "CZ export order Egyptian helmets" which are now collector icons in their own right because they are so well known "No publicity is bad publicity" In fact the mystery around these items continues to grow. Some say "reproduction" and until more proof emerges, fair enough. However, if reproduction then these are reproductions with "real" style. Style worth all the crap from China and India today rolled into one that just could not be achieved after WW2.

The only problem with the easy answer of "reproduction" it just does not explain the fact nagging away of something made before May 1945 and discovered before the wall came down.

Please gentlemen, lets "select and maintain our aim" and that is "who" made these helmets, "where" and "when". Believe it or not this thread has made some "real" progress in that direction.

Again a happy and prosperous new year,

Chris

Yes, at the end of the day, we are all interested in history. So we have more things in common than not.

Happy New Year to all.

**Kangaroo** · 12-31-2014, 09:49 AM

Originally posted by francis006 View Post

could you also tell me as you said :"later can be found on ex German CD helmets too - when rejected from army stocks" , have German helmets been used just post war (I'ld say from 1946 to 50

) for Czech Army , even feldgrau , and are there pics even if you say they are rare because of the tension at this period and after the putsch ? thanks

Hi,

I prepared one showing Czechoslovak soldiers with German helmets from postwar period, but I do not have permission to post pics here ...

Radovan

**Schwerpunkt** · 12-31-2014, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by Paul Ba View Post

Genau!

Aires, just post then SELL, SELL, SELL, SELL - all I see ever!

All about $$$, €€€, £££ etc etc etc........ find post war trash, sell as gold!

And this has spawned a +20 page topic...

**Mr. Hollywood** · 12-31-2014, 10:09 AM

Originally posted by 90th Light View Post

Second, lets put all the speculation about what "Aries22" motivation in starting this thread might be to one side. These sand/ tan/ brown helmets are a mystery that has not yet been fully solved.

Chris

Chris,

I disagree with this portion of your post.

The helmets since their initial hitting the market have been marketed by honest dealers as simple post war created helmets from German stock.

To my recollection there has never been dispute over what these helmets are, and that they were created to be used by other armies after WWII. Whether those armies are of European countries or other is really just background scenery. Don't get too hung up on those particulars as many militaries purchased remaining German stock of uniforms, arms etc to outfit their interests.

This post was a directly intended thread by its author to market his goods, just as many of his other threads as illustrated by other members here. It accomplished its goal. To some collectors these helmets have only NOW become a "mystery" while to others who have been round them for decades they are post war fabricated.

The attitude of myself and many others is not based on the words of a salesman from the 80's, its based on a legitimate study of these helmets in person, and comparing them to accepted "text book" examples of pre-1945 usage/ manufacture. The recent stories, and dealer advertisements should further solidify in the minds of the skeptics that these helmets are indeed post war created.

There is only so much theorizing that can be done before you need to come to a conclusion. Its whether your conclusion is based on verifiable fact, or "what if" that will assist each individual with a conclusion. If members who are on the fence were to put aside desire, to look at the true verifiable facts for what they are, I am confident that the only conclusion can be .......................post war created.

This kind of thread has happened way too many times by those wanting something to be what its not, thus polluting the hobby. As I said before we have an obligation to future collectors to keep this hobby as pure and unsullied as possible.

Not everyone can have a SS helmet in their collection, nor an exotic tropical SS....so as much as some may want these to be........they are not.

**jacquesf** · 12-31-2014, 10:24 AM

"..This kind of thread has happened way too many times by those wanting something to be what its not, thus polluting the hobby. As I said before we have an obligation to future collectors to keep this hobby as pure and unsullied as possible...

Amen

There are two distinct aspects here that has to be separated.
1. The agenda of the thread starter.
2. The helmets.

I take issue with 1.

**Glenn McInnes** · 12-31-2014, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by jacquesf View Post

There are two distinct aspects here that has to be separated.
1. The agenda of the thread starter

I take issue with 1.

I often wonder the same and the same goes for those who post on here constantly defending questionable items as "just maybe",what if","could very well be" etc.

It seems to me that some posting on these Forums want to keep everyone confused. If no one is expert then everyone is expert, then good becomes bad and bad becomes good. It happens quite often.

I mean,if you have to discuss an item and go on about it for 50 +++ pages without any real proof,why in the Hell would you want to own it?

Glenn

**jacquesf** · 12-31-2014, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by Glenn McInnes View Post

I often wonder the same and the same goes for those who post on here constantly defending questionable items as "just maybe",what if","could very well be" etc.

It seems to me that some posting on these Forums want to keep everyone confused. If no one is expert then everyone is expert, then good becomes bad and bad becomes good. It happens quite often.

I mean,if you have to discuss an item and go on about it for 50 +++ pages without any real proof,why in the Hell would you want to own it?

Glenn

I can agree with that. J

**Mr. Hollywood** · 12-31-2014, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by Glenn McInnes View Post

I often wonder the same and the same goes for those who post on here constantly defending questionable items as "just maybe",what if","could very well be" etc.

It seems to me that some posting on these Forums want to keep everyone confused. If no one is expert then everyone is expert, then good becomes bad and bad becomes good. It happens quite often.

I mean,if you have to discuss an item and go on about it for 50 +++ pages without any real proof,why in the Hell would you want to own it?

Glenn

Agreed!

**DougB** · 12-31-2014, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by Kangaroo View Post

Hello Doug,

It is 1946.

Radovan

Thanks Radovan. I wanted to be sure, given that numbers 3/6/8/9 often are hard to discern in stampings and embossings.

Nice to see your perspective in this thread, it is important others see what you have been posting on GHW.

Cheers
Doug

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