My new DAK helmets

[francis006]

So now we have Revoluční guard members wearing tan helmets and also tan M41 (SS) field caps..

Seeing your answer , then you have no doubt that helmets on these BW pics are tan ??

[NickG]

Seeing your answer , then you have no doubt that helmets on these BW pics are tan ??

Some are clearer than other but yes these are CLEARLY light colored helmets....
I indeed have absolutely no doubt...

These came from a June 30th, 1945 photo album! Why even ask? What's not light about them???? Inside skirts appear dark but that could be explained
with shading, as I already illustrated that "problem" with the modern H & C colored reenactment SS impression color images...
With B&W its en even bigger problem of course !
All uniform in appearance with an added red star! I wonder if there are any survivors to compare with!

This is just a clue...not proof! I agree! but RG used Sahariana uniforms, M41 SS caps and light colored helmets...(see post 612)
A total coincidence? yes could be! or SS bekleidungs lager gear? Post 612 gear certainly is!

[DougB]

Nothing wrong with my "rationale" Doug,

I was referring Chris to your commentary about the Greek arms, you stated lots of captured German weapons but no German helmets.

That specifically was what I was referring to.

That rationale was flawed and served no purpose.

[DougB]

I have only one helmet of the type being discussed in this thread and it's a qvl.

I guess it begs the question are we 100 percent certain qvl/bvl are extremely late war manufacture?

Yes they are late war. Domestamps over 2 colors of tan, one being Warsaw Pact colors. These are not explained.


Nick, I completely disagree. The swastika is THE symbol of German Nazism. Not the German helmet.

Anyway, I am out of the discussion for now. People on the side trying to prove these as SS helmets are getting a bit too passionate for me.

Wake me up when you find something closer to proof.

Cheers
Doug

[NickG]

Yes they are late war. Domestamps over 2 colors of tan, one being Warsaw Pact colors. These are not explained.


Nick, I completely disagree. The swastika is THE symbol of German Nazism. Not the German helmet.

Anyway, I am out of the discussion for now. People on the side trying to prove these as SS helmets are getting a bit too passionate for me.

Wake me up when you find something closer to proof.

Cheers
Doug

My unit had guns with swastikas during the cold war....browning hi powers from Liege. The facts don't lie...
my surplus collectors MG 34 came with israel proof markings and also had waffenamt birds..they did not care
with such a miniscule mark...often swastikas are not even clear on waffenamt proofs.
Trust me I even owned a motorcycle with these birds on the block. Nobody cares...
but feel free to disagree with what I experienced first hand.
btw When the US adopted kevlar helmets these were referred to as Fritz helmets...
in the beginning...so German looking...still had a stigma...now an accepted shape...
Trust me I am a steel pot veteran...mid 80s...so you can only imagine what the Israel is would think...
The israel cancelation deal is a dead end for me...

[francis006]

Some are clearer than other but yes these are CLEARLY light colored helmets....
I indeed have absolutely no doubt...

This is just a clue...not proof! I agree! but RG used Sahariana uniforms, M41 SS caps and light colored helmets...(see post 612)
A total coincidence? yes could be! or SS bekleidungs lager gear? Post 612 gear certainly is!

Ah OK ? I thought after you said :"So now we have Revoluční guard members wearing tan helmets" and the last comments from some other members that the mystery was already solved now, case closed just based on 2 or 3 BW photos after 42 pages of relevant questioning

Indeed Nick , they are light colored but you know it could be anything , from a shade of light brown like the Vz 32 to light green like the Russian Ssh for exemple , add a red star and you have what you see .....but nothing troubles you and the others about this affirmation with the very last pic of your post ?? ( sorry don't know how to add the photo !!)

On 7 helmets , I see only 4 Germans but ALL look the same , all are light colored and with the very same star !
Couldn't they have been painted all the same way or only the German helmets overpainted to match their "friends" ones ?
Are your photos then tangible prooves or does it makes sens to be wise with such allegations ?

[NickG]

Ah OK ? I thought after you said :"So now we have Revoluční guard members wearing tan helmets" and the last comments from some other members that the mystery was already solved now, case closed just based on 2 or 3 BW photos after 42 pages of relevant questioning

Indeed Nick , they are light colored but you know it could be anything , from a shade of light brown like the Vz 32 to light green like the Russian Ssh for exemple , add a red star and you have what you see .....but nothing troubles you and the others about this affirmation with the very last pic of your post ?? ( sorry don't know how to add the photo !!)

On 7 helmets , I see only 4 Germans but ALL look the same , all are light colored and with the very same star !
Couldn't they have been painted all the same way or only the German helmets overpainted to match their "friends" ones ?
Is your photos then tangible prooves or does it makes sens to be wise with such allegations ?

If you reread my post I clearly wrote in my post 617 that is is NOT proof...just some food for thought to keep an open mind...we are still investigating ALL avenues...thats all...
but thanks for confirming that you also now are seeing NON feldgrau helmets...light in color.

[msteve21]

BW photos

I've photographed my CK (German m35) helmet painted dunkelgelb and converted to BW as a comparison to a photo posted on this thread

Also did a similar comparison with my DAK helmet.

I leave it up to the readers to make their own conclusions

Mark S

[msteve21]

Helmet

Another comparison from a early posted photo on this thread

Mark S

[Jos L C]

In ALL photo's presented here, except fot the kinda reenactment magazine pics, I haven't spotted the "SS" tan helmet sofar.
What we're talking about is a kinda green/tan primer sprayed helmet, like the post-war planes and proof has to be found that they are suddenly SS related.
In order to prove this we need a clear pic of a SS guy with the very same helmet, a vet bring back ( Jeez, I still have one, forgot to give it back), a real story like, they were supposed to be SS helmets, but some stupe sold them as refurbished etc..
All other "evidence" with over paint lookalikes and it must be shade and here we've them, I hope, I think, I wish, oh God, help me please etc.. are not relevant.
Some have a agenda, some already sell them as something war time, some hope they can connect a story to these to sell their stock for high price.
Result is a major wishfull thinking thread with a load of nonsense and very bad pictures.
The war time believers haven't prove anything sofar other than IMO I see connection, it's a matter of time.
Post war believers still have their point, they're post war because they look post war etc..
... and yes, they look post war and there never has been a market for these, other than sell them as is or as parts.
Just put them on a WW2 dummy and let me know your feelings, for some they might be a substitute, but they're dead.
Whatever they are, they're not the helmets in the SS pics, color is off etc..
To me they look like something from a dump shop, let's give them a bit of appeal, so we can ask little more.
They don't make you happy, that's the point.

Jos.

[Schwerpunkt]

Yes just as dark as these skirts! It's called shade....Yes give up!

Nick are you bringing the first color reenactor pics up again , what is the use of those anyway ?

[NickG]

Nick, I completely disagree. The swastika is THE symbol of German Nazism. Not the German helmet.

Oh the horror... an Israeli MG34 with a waffenamt eagle...Look at that Swastika symbol...
How could the Israeli gunner even aim straight with that symbol on it!
Like I said it was not an issue... Note the star of David...Same on a K98 German Mauser: a German eagle + star of David...
Ironic but it is actually pretty common!

A German shaped helmets on the other hand would be a major issue and therefore an Israeli contract HIGHLY unlikely!

[BROBS]

The actual swas is defaced if you look closely. The eagle exists but not the swas.

-Brian

[NickG]

Nick are you bringing the first color reenactor pics up again , what is the use of those anyway ?

I clearly explained why in those posts!
IT WAS TO ILLUSTRATE THE SHADED AREA ON THE HELMET SKIRTS, that's all....
NOTHING more nothing less...even explaining further that on B&W photos the shaded areas would appear even MORE dark...Just read the posts!

[NickG]

The actual swas is defaced if you look closely. The eagle exists but not the swas.

-Brian

I agree Brian they were defaced on occasion...but certainly not on the internal parts but still comparing miniscule eagles with helmets is apples with pears...
Here's another example....still clearly visible though...