My new DAK helmets

[Aries22]

Imo faked...yep.

Aries......if you have thousands of these helmets then I see why this thread is soooooo important to you and Nick. Makes me wonder though.........why do you have thousands of them, and is your intention to try and sell them? Is this thread nothing more than "marketing" in hopes that you might win a few members over to buy these helmets?

My friends it is clear to me the over all intent of this thread. It's run its course. Experienced collectors have known about these helmets for decades. They are and will always be post war constructed. Dubious now because many collectors are simply dying to own an SS helmet and this is thier way of doing it.

Just remember one thing.......you can never own a Ferrari for the price of a Honda.
Good night, sleep tight!
Merry Christmas!

Fake, yes I was expecting it...what else....because if you will make fake from it all is clearly now....but I can make you sure, this is not a fake I it found from many of this helmets and only one has this stamp...and about my helmets I had / sorry for then I wrote have in another post/ hundreds of them and I always sell them like original war made piece, but now I really do not have this numbers, just around seven pieces and belive or not I really do not need make some fakes even it gives me milions...I prefer honour before money...

[Mr. Hollywood]

about my helmets I had / sorry for then I wrote have in another post/ hundreds of them and I always sell them like original war made piece.

Thanks for admitting your agenda with these helmets. "Sell them like Original war made pieces".

Point proven.

[PAB]

Thanks for admitting your agenda with these helmets. "Sell them like Original war made pieces".

Point proven.

You started thread giving the impression that you had a couple of tan helmets, now you have hundreds and are a dealer? Seems you have a lot to gain by attributing to an SS division or pre45 usage.

Where were they sourced?

[Aries22]

You started thread giving the impression that you had a couple of tan helmets, now you have hundreds and are a dealer? Seems you have a lot to gain by attributing to an SS division or pre45 usage.

Where were they sourced?

Yes I started this thread, because I want to show my new yellow war made helmets and a lot of people there started with theory then they are post war made and from Egyptian contract and so on...and this is why this all started....I really do not need to make this for better selling of my helmets, but only for helping anothers to know where is the true about this helmets....for 15 years of my collecting I had hundreds of yellow and thousands black ones as I mentioned...I m from Czech Republic and this helmets used to be everywhere...in civil defence storage, fire stations. many of them in scrap yard and so on for low price somethimes for the price of iron or some bottles of alkohol a lot of collectors here had the same numbers of them too...and many collectors there, even some which collect helmets for 40 years know then this is war made colour and about post war we heard about it after 1990s from some big collector which was cheated with hundreds of this helmet with another collector here and he starting to spread this post war made theory...I really do not need to faked stamp on this helmets or defend them for better selling of them only can not see this post war theory with no evidence presented like fact....but it is hard way...two stamped helmet are marked like fake and anothers informations like weak....I still WAITING FOR SOME SERIOUS EVIDENCE about post war theory from all unbelievers...but is seems, then there is still nothing or I missed something ? Anyway thanks all for nice discusion about it is very interesting to me !

[gadaru_kanaru]

I wonder if these helmets are related to the mysterious qvl/bvl factory. Isn't it rumored to have been located in Czechoslovakia? Maybe the helmets were refurbished there which might explain the dome stamp. Anybody got a qvl/bvl with a nice, legible dome stamp?

[Schwerpunkt]

I wonder if these helmets are related to the mysterious qvl/bvl factory. Isn't it rumored to have been located in Czechoslovakia? Maybe the helmets were refurbished there which might explain the dome stamp. Anybody got a qvl/bvl with a nice, legible dome stamp?

the example with dome stamp is an ET stamped shell.

[gadaru_kanaru]

the example with dome stamp is an ET stamped shell.

Has anyone read a qvl stamp? Is it certain that the qvl stamps are not Thale stamps? Aren't the qvl shells similar in shape to ET's? Could have the qvl factory (if there was a seperate factory) been a Thale offshoot? I have two wartime qvl's but the only one that is stamped is illegible.

[jacquesf]

"Yes I started this thread, because I want to show my new yellow war made helmets...."

No, you actually started the thread calling them DAK. IMO you have a huge agenda on the WAF and it is gonna come back and bite some people. J

[Dennis S]

I think Aries might have a little bit of a problem writing precisely in English. I believe he was using DAK as a synonym of tropical . I don't know the man just my thoughts .

[Schwerpunkt]

Has anyone read a qvl stamp? Is it certain that the qvl stamps are not Thale stamps? Aren't the qvl shells similar in shape to ET's? Could have the qvl factory (if there was a seperate factory) been a Thale offshoot? I have two wartime qvl's but the only one that is stamped is illegible.

Also one of the current mysteries that won't be solved in 24 hours , I suspect a link between qvl and ckl.
But without period paperwork this may forever remain a mystery.

[Willi Z.]

I think Aries might have a little bit of a problem writing precisely in English. I believe he was using DAK as a synonym of tropical . I don't know the man just my thoughts .

My thoughts as well Dennis.

Some really shouldn't be throwing stones.....

[Aries22]

I think Aries might have a little bit of a problem writing precisely in English. I believe he was using DAK as a synonym of tropical . I don't know the man just my thoughts .

Yes it is excatly as you mentioned Dennis, sorry for that...need more to practise my English and so on....but point of this thread is clear.

[NickG]

I knew that is what you meant to write! Very nice camoflage "panjewagen" you own btw, also in RAL Dunkelgelb base color!

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=777539

[NickG]

It does not prove anything regarding the tan helmets true origins, but I thought it might be interesting to add this study,
as it clearly identifies the SS clothing/supply Depot in Prague...4 stores/departments...massive!!! !

Translated from Czech using a web translating tool, so it's not perfect English, but it illustrates the massive concentration of SS troops and institutions in and around Prague, (Protectorat).
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Numbers Waffen SS members and units/institutions in The Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia by the end of the war (1945)

Based on the surviving documents, copy of which I have gained in the national archive in Prague, can determine the total number of Waffen-SS, who were to be found in the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia (protektorat. Böhmen und Mähren). It was the documents, which have been reported numerous stocks individual units, departments and facilities. Documents were created on "befehlhaber der Waffen-SS Böhmen und Mähren' in Prague (Master units SS Bohemia and Moravia). Classification of documents was "geheim" - "secret".

As stated in the individual documents may also determine what types combat, training and backup units, what schools, hospitals, and other services to different Offices office space in protectorate on the relevant date been presenting themselves regularly.

At first, I'll concentrate on the assessment of the total numbers of Waffen-SS and then on some vytipované departments, which are related to the military parade ground troops on benešovsku SS.

Total members Waffen-SS (1944-1945)
67.053 total SS troop in April of 1945


In a comparison, the total numbers between September 1944 and April 1945 in the Protectorate territory increased status members of Waffen-SS exclusively by nearly 20,000 persons. It is a question, what numerous stocks were in protectorate over a given period on the other hand, for the other parts of the German Army (Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe in particular) ? or other German units, schools, within, facilities, etc.?

I don't know if historians have found somewhere and have published these totals, but it had to act in the summary of relatively large quantity Germans (in terms military and administrative), who were still in Protectorate in 1945. And that's not to mention the refugees, who were retreating before the advancing Red Army on the one hand, but on the other hand even before advancing Allied units in the direction of the West.

The preserved historic information and documents the end of the war territory protectorate (B&M happened great escape route for Germans fled into the space in the first place, which should free Allied forces (American, English, French, etc. ).

List of selected departments and equipment for SS troops

Surviving documents can be determined on the basis, what types of troops and what services and installations the SS was housed in the space of The Protectorate, can be done broken down by following way:
(1) training and backup units/ausbildungs und ersatz einheiten/
(2 ) schools
(3 ) hospitals
(4 ) field/combat units
(5 ) other (Misc motorpools-supplies, Archives..)
(6 ) office/offices, warehouses (Lagern)

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(1) training and backup units/ausbildungs und ersatz einheiten/

SS-artillerie ausbildungs und ersatz regiment, Prag (SS-regiment artillery training and backup, Prague)
SS-I. ausbildungs und ersatz bataillon 2, krusitschan (2.SS-training and backup artillery battalion pěchotního) /IG-was geschütz/
ss-kavallerie ausbildungs und ersatz regiment 8, beneschau (SS-riding training and backup regiment, Benešov)
SS-panzer jägger/sturmgeschütz/ausbildung und ersatz abteilung 3, Chlum (3.SS-training backup section by tanks/attack works, Chlum)
SS-artillerie regiment ausbildungs/bei SS-artillerie-II/, Benesov (SS-regiment artillery training /u SS - artillery school/, Benešov)
SS-Gebirgs pionier ausbildungs bataillon 4, pikowitz/bei SS-pionier-hradischko/ (4.SS-mountain "The training battalion, čas /u SS - "School malá/)
SS-spw ausbildungs und ersatz bataillon/bei SS-panzer-grenadier prosetschnitz/, to 6.4. , 1945 , it has been placed, based bukowan (SS-training and backup battalion special forces /u SS-school reinforced security guards in prosečnici/)
2. /Ss-funkschutz bataillon (2nd Company SS-battalion radio protection - defense targeting)
SS - feldgendarmerie (SS - Field gendarmerie)
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(2) SS schools:

SS-panzer-grenadier kienschlag/prosetschnitz/ (SS - The school reinforced security guards, kienschlag/Prosečnice/)
SS-artillerie-II beneschau (SS-artillery school, Benešov)
SS - pionier-hradischko (SS - "School malá)
SS-panzer jägger/sturmgeschütz/-Janowitz on board (SS-school by tanks/offensive works Janovice)
zahntechnikerschule der Waffen-SS beneschau (school dental technicians/techs for SS troops, Benešov)

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(3 ) Hospitals:

ss - hauptlazarett, Prag (SS-General Hospital, Prague)
SS-Gaya lazarett, Mähren (SS-hospital Gaya, Moravia, Czech Republic)
SS-veterinäruntersuchungsamt, horaschdowitz (SS - Veterinary Research Institute, Horažďovice)
hauptveterinärpark der Waffen-SS, horaschdowitz (main veterinary base SS troops, horaž "dovice)
veterinärkp. der Waffen-SS, kuttenberg (veterinary company SS troops, Kutna Hora)
heimatpferdepark I der Waffen-SS, sehuschitz (home/birthing? horse base SS troops, žehušice)
remonteamt der Waffen. SS, Rabin bei Budweis (station young horses/, /Ss troops, ) In the Czech Budějovice)
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(4 ) battle units:

.SS-artillerie abteilung 28 "wallonien" (SS-light artillery Section 28 "wallonien" (SS-artillerie- (ii) jagd panzer kompanie "Charlemagne", "nederland", einheit "stöcker", wotitz (company hunters tanks "Charlemagne", "nederland", Unit "stöcker ", Votice)
jagdpanzer kompanie "wallonien", ", Prinz Eugen", olbramowitz (company hunters tanks "wallonien", "Prinz Eugen", olbramovice)
ss - pionier Bau battailon 3, hradischko (3.ss - "construction battalion, malá)
ss - pionier bataillon 20, pikowitz (BEI pi.-) (20.ss - "battalion, čas (for "School)
SS - pionier bataillon 26 v aufstellung bei PI.- (26.SS - "banner in the report for "School)
jäger panzer abteilung 16, jankow (16 section by tanks, Jankov) Ad

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(5 ) Other (Misc. motorpools-supplies, Archives)

Open. - depot III der Waffen-SS, Prag und wossow (motor vehicles - warehouse III SS troops, and the Prague?
Open. - depot IV der Waffen-SS, Reichenau A.D. CN. (motor vehicles - warehouse IV SS troops, Rychnov nad Kneznou)
kriegsarchiv der Waffen-SS, sasmuk (War archive SS troops, Zásmuky)
kraftfahrpark ost Böhmen - matha (fleet motor vehicles East Bohemia - matha?)
SS-FHA." Hass "deutsch-brod/ss-FHA-SS-führungshauptamt/ (command "Haas" main office commanding SS German Brod) ad
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(6 ) offices/warehouses (Lagern):

kdtr. SS-TR. üb. PL." Böhmen", beneschau (SS headquarters - ground "Bohemia", Benešov)
ss - for "südost", Prag (SS - Todt organization "southeast", Praha)
bauinspektion der Waffen-SS und. polizei, Prag (SS troops building inspections and police, Prague)
ss - haumptamt AMT c i, klanowitz bei Prag (SS - main office in C I, Klánovice near Prague)rusha, stabskp., Prag/rusha - rasse und siedlungs hauptamt/ (the main office for race and residence, staff rota, Prague)
SS-und polizeigericht VIII, Prag (SS troops and police court VIII, Prague)
ss - St. O. zahnstation, beneschau (SS-Posádková dental surgery, Benešov)
lehrküche der Waffen-SS, beneschau (school/training kitchen SS troops, Benešov)
ss - gemeinschaftswerk, PRAGA (SS - common race, Prague)
ss - st. on. Verwaltung, beneschau (SS-administration was City Benešov)
twl-SS, Prag/twl - truppenwirtschaftslager/ (military economic warehouse, Prague)
SS - bekleidungslager, Prag (einschl. 4 lageren) (SS-warehouse clothing, Prague (including 4 stores)
SS - kleiderkasse, PRAGA (SS-clothing checkout, Prague)
SS - wuvha, stab W (heilmittelstelle), Prag (SS-?, staff W (office medicine), Praha
SS-studierenden wuvha abt. Prag (SS-? study group medicines, Prague)
(Credit: josef.velisek (CZ)

[kevinpre45]

qvl/bvl

Hello all
I think that's a good sound approach! I also think the documentation of the SS activities is a good start.It is true that a lot of info is yet to surface. Also liked the purchase order! Don't like the insults to fellow members however!
Kevin