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**Killerbee** · 12-30-2014, 12:19 AM

Interesting helmets.

Question/Thought:

1. Any pics of helmets with the Czech symbol on them pre/post 45?

2. Well IMO, these helmets are two different animals. One just painted sloppily and not fully just to conform to an existing paint scheme. The other helmet nicely rebuilt and painted with a similar paint scheme. Could it be that initially the Czechs thought since the have a ton of these helmet pre-45 already in stock and since they were already using the existing stock of matching uniforms, why not save money and continue to use the same paint scheme of those existing helmets and then continue to rehab others helmets to conform. Again, that way we can save money. Then latter on, they thought... nay, not a good idea... looks to much like the Nazis so lets just paint them black and other colors. For some reason, IMO those two helmets do not prove anything and we are stuck at the same spot. We need more examples IMO.

Anyway, I'm just an observer of this interesting thread and throwing out my 1st thought when seeing these helmets. Don't throw stones at me for my 1st thought... since we are "ALL" speculating here.

Be nice...

Jim

**NickG** · 12-30-2014, 12:23 AM

Originally posted by Mr. Hollywood View Post

NickG

This is an example of what DougB was referring too. You have made definitive statements as fact, which are actually supposition.

Reading this reply it is even more obvious that you only agree with what you chose, or best fits your theory. You keep claiming to "only want the truth", but I don't believe that.

I see that you have joined and posted on the other site. After reading the one there, then revisiting this thread do you see the differences?

NickG just call it quits on this one as its gone further that it needs to go. You are not qualified as a researcher and it's showing.

To Hollywood (yes I left out the Mr part) : I was a member over there just not posting...thorough research has everything to do with being open minded, even if you already have a position, allowing other view points. Heck why did you think I started a poll....wanting to know what others felt...and If you read some my posts more carefully I clearly stated all along that I wanted to see post war usage proof....not believing the Egyptian fable...
What was posted is obviously NOT an Egyptian decal!!! So something was accomplished...
Now we have something to study and you can NOT claim any credit for it yourself...(so where is your research? Riding on the coat tails of another??.) and telling me to notice the tone over there on Walhalla and in the same sentence attacking me for not being an adequate researcher...?.Wow that's classy!

So we have discovered proof of postwar use and post war paint application. Does that leave the door shut completely for wartime refurbishment? Perhaps! or is this a post war continuation of that refurbishment practice in order to fulfill an export contract (that got cancelled). Who knows?
I am sharing this revelation with my Czech contacts.
How many Czech contacts do you have if I may ask? Let me guess...never mind...big fat goose egg..
I happen to speak 5 languages, so try to out-research me on anything. Anytime!

Originally posted by Killerbee View Post

Interesting helmets.

Question/Thought:

Could it be that initially the Czechs thought since the have a ton of these helmet pre-45 already in stock and since they were already using the existing stock of matching uniforms, why not save money and continue to use the same paint scheme of those existing helmets and then continue to rehab others helmets to conform. Again, that way we can save money.

For some reason, IMO those two helmets do not prove anything and we are stuck at the same spot. We need more examples IMO.

Jim

To Jim: good points! Let's keep it nice and classy and let's find more helmets!

**DougB** · 12-30-2014, 12:38 AM

Originally posted by 90th Light View Post

Doug,

sorry my helmet is not for sale even if these are proved to be SS beyond doubt. I have no dog in this fight that way. If you do not believe me go and have a look at how much stuff I have ever sold on the estand. My collection will most likely be trashed or burnt given the way my family feel about this stuff. I kid you not, some has already been destroyed.

No, the bone in this that interests me is the history of it all. I have had the helmet for years and the real story behind these has always intrigued me. I did mot pay much for it but I love the condition and all the stamps on the inside of the leather of the liner plus it still had its original chinstrap. However, as I have said it will be eventually be dumped in a land fill.

Well if you are so certain the Israeli government would have no problem with their troops historically wearing German helmets. Why not going ask them. They have already had WAF investigated as a political association so they will know what you are part of. Here is your chance for "real" research rather than "open" research. What ever "open research" is ???

My helmet has only one paint coat and that is the sand/ tan/ brown RAL paint under discussion so there is no way there are any stamps under the paint.

The rest of what you state either does not apply to my helmet or I will check when I have it in hand.

The following facts still remain in place

1/ RAL sand/ tan / brown paint used by German during WW2

2/ Helmets found in CZ where a SS distribution depot was also located

3/ Other hoards of SS tropical uniforms and other uniform items found

4/ SS soldiers wore a sand/ tan / brown steel helmet during WW2 in an even uncamo pattern without a SS rune shield on the side ( so did LW & other Wehrmacht/ party forces)

5/ Extensive use of SS tropical uniform items, Wehrmacht tropical & other uniform items at the end of WW2 by CZ resistance & partisan forces.

Can you please sum up the post war case,

Chris

p.s. perhaps "open research" is carried out at open universities

Chris if you want to be a prick, go ahead. But I will bite my tongue.

By open research I meant having an open shared dialogue among collectors researching this point. My apologies that my grammatical skillset is not on the level of yours. I hope you will find a way to forgive the error of my ways.

That said I wont play your emotional game of "I know more about the Holocaust and what Israel would and wouldn't do than you cuz my dad was there" nor am I here to debate you. You cannot accept any other theory or challenges to your theory without making it clear that others who may challenge you are wrong (and apparently your intellectual inferiors) and go on just repeating the same things over and over, like the Chinese Water Torture test that this thread has become.

You have a dog in this because you own one of the helmets. I don't know what your motive is but it appears to be so that you can be seen to be that much smarter than everyone else here. Whether you sell your stuff or not, I really could care less.

But sorry I wont just roll over and accept your weak theories as fact.

You say: "The following facts still remain in place "

1/ RAL sand/ tan / brown paint used by German during WW2
Yes but not necessarily on these helmets. The tan matched Warsaw Pact colors as well as postwar Czech and Middle Eastern. You have zero proof a RAL color used but the German army was used on these helmets.

2/ Helmets found in CZ where a SS distribution depot was also located.
Cz is a big ass country. THere were German helmets and depots in pretty much every occupied country and much of CZ was annexed or Reich Protectorate. Big deal. Proves nothing.

3/ Other hoards of SS tropical uniforms and other uniform items found.
Has nothing to do with helmets sorry.

4/ SS soldiers wore a sand/ tan / brown steel helmet during WW2 in an even uncamo pattern without a SS rune shield on the side ( so did LW & other Wehrmacht/ party forces)
AS you said, so did other service branches. But you insist on calling these SS helmets. I own 2 SS helmets that are tan/mustard brown (I posted only 1). Those I promise you are real SS helmets. B&W photos do not tie these helmets to the ones in the photos, and no proof those were not overpaints with template painted skirts. As well, B&W images do not show the shade of color. DAK pink also shows as light color. Mustard brown, tan, pink, all will be a lighter shade than the typical feldgrau.

5/ Extensive use of SS tropical uniform items, Wehrmacht tropical & other uniform items at the end of WW2 by CZ resistance & partisan forces.
And no use of these mystery helmet horde. If these "depots" you speak of had so many helmets why aren't the freedom fighters wearing them? (Oh I forgot, German helmets are a sign they are Nazi's and therefor cannot be worn by freedom fighters when other helmet choices are available...)

So, Chris, I am not here to debate you but as you asked I will say yet again, I think for the 6th time in this thread - why these MAY WELL NOT BE wartime German (SS) helmets.

1. QVL stamped M42 post date the time period the SS-P was deployed to Greece for occupation and anti-partisan duties.

2. 2 colors of factory tan on the same helmet. Makes zero sense.

3. Both colors overstamped by mystery domestamp. Domestamps are factory applied and when done is done to all helmets not a selection.

In addition:

4. Lack of texture to the helmets. So the Germans stripped them down, to the bare metal, and did a full repaint when it was far more effiecient and standard procedure to refinish helmets by a simple overpaint, even skirt painted with a template.

5. Possible foreign contract (Israel is not disproven at this point).

6. Longtime collector recalls these being sold in NYC with Israeli markings.

7. Cz collector with clear evidence that the "RAL tan" was painted postwar overtop Cz postwar markings.

8. Dumps of these helmets in black and other colors postwar repaints by the Cz.
So no chance they could have done "RAL tan"...

9. Warsaw Pact color match to the "RAL tan".

I am sure I missed a few.

But like I said, I am open to these being wartime. But claims must be held accountable to far more than what has been shown here thus far to support these helmets being 100% German (SS) factory refurbishments.

That is all I am saying. I would appreciate words not being put in my mouth this time.

Cheers, and with diminished respect.

Doug

**DougB** · 12-30-2014, 12:40 AM

Originally posted by NickG View Post

I am sharing this revelation with my Czech contacts.
How many Czech contacts do you have if I may ask.Let me guess...never mind...

I happen to speak 5 languages so try to out-research me on anything...

To Jim: good points! Let's keep it nice and classy and let's find more helmets!

Nick, if your asking Mr H to keep it nice and classy perhaps you might want to as well.

If you want I can type that in 25 languages.

This thread has become a joke. It is officially in the realm of disrespect and ill will by you and Chris.

**NickG** · 12-30-2014, 01:16 AM

Originally posted by DougB View Post

Nick, if your asking Mr H to keep it nice and classy perhaps you might want to as well.

If you want I can type that in 25 languages.

This thread has become a joke. It is officially in the realm of disrespect and ill will by you and Chris.

OK lets do another poll on that! (who is keeping it classy and contributing as opposed to attacking "other" or "opposing" theories mercifully, because they just know better!)
Making accusations about creating the SS story (hidden agendas) to sell these helmets with big profit....All that is nonsense talk. Please!
I did not start that tone!!!

Seriously my contributions were mocked and disrespected from the get-go by the self-proclaimed helmet gods here...It is their attitude that derails constructive conversations...and poisoning the well... As a matter of fact I have been contacted by people who rather not even contribute/participate because of this (sending me PM's or emails and encouraging me to press on) as I happen to have a thick skin!
Go ahead and make fun of my research approach like Hollywood did. Others have been following it out of interest (or "morbid interest" depending who's camp you are in) and the poll that I created also proves that there are a lot of "fence sitters" on this topic so the need is there to really get to the bottom of this mystery, hence the 25,000+ viewings!!!...more traction than Walhalla ever had on a helmet thread
( their core following!)

What we accomplished collectively I believe is that these are not Egyptian client rebuilds (lazy research/assumptions 20+ years ago) and Israeli is also unlikely (but that is an opinion). Nobody ever dared to go against the grain, against the common knowledge (albeit unproven) that these were cancelled Egyptian lids...Now we have and it has not been a wasted effort, on the contrary! Btw glad to hear that you know how to use a computer translating program. I must confess I used that too with my Czech research, as that language I do not have under my belt (5 other I do with no computer help). OK so the thread has become a joke to you , well step off the bus! You control the ride. I do appreciate your contributions, especially that sand colored SS decal helmet with Tripoli connection.! Amazing! We are here to learn and share and yes lets keep it gentleman-like! We can at least all agree on that no doubt!

I want to extend an olive branch and continue the ride gentleman like!...The more that stay on the bus, the more we can find out I hope! Press on!

Look at this one... Fire related but used by the resistance maybe? Similar roundel...The dealer description does not make sense to me!
scroll down to reference M17! Perhaps hand painted is war time and clean decal is post war commemorative for resistance fighter veterans?
or still military related (CZ air force?)

http://www.garyhendershott.net/catalog2013_03.html

**Dennis S** · 12-30-2014, 03:09 AM

Doug, I have always found you to be extremely polite and willing to share information and your collection. Your always willing to answer pms and answer questions , I do not consider you one of the rude that post here. I am also a member of wahalla and have always found it much more civil there. So I'm a bit confused as why some are rude here, but polite there. So it's not directed at you.
I understand the difference between frustration and rudeness.

That said , even though I have not formed a positive opinion on the helmets . I had
To stick up for Nick when I thought the circle jerk crew were being rude. It is very typical for the jackals to throw out innuendos , side handed insults and whatever the brave computer jockies think is smart. ( now I guess I'm being rude ,but not calling anyone in particular out. )

I don't think some even read entire posts as the responses to my posts were answered as I was a cheerleader for the helmets ignoring the purpose of my post.

I don't know why I'm rambling here and not sure if Nick is right or wrong I'm just sticking up for Nick because I think he is good guy and doesn't deserve the crap. I think Nick heart is in the right place , even if his opinion may be construed as flawed by some.

I think the amount of time and effort he has put in the discussion is admirable and weathered most of the side handed condescending insults . Did he get sidetracked now and then ........maybe so. (Like the iconic German helmet theory.) The Czech and tropical photos he posted were great. Thanks for posting Nick.

Anyway my advise to Nick, give it up it's not worth taking the insults .......if you had a dead German still wearing one of these helmets you won't convince those that dug their heels in. It has now become an exercise in frustration for you. Although I don't think you locked in or proved your theory . You are up against a wall of diversions of those trying you make you look like an ass. Plus, many of these helmets have probably been monkeyed with , so someone is always going to pull one out of their ass to blur the argument. I don't mean the Czech resistance one. I mean relinered or such as I'm sure those stacks of liners we see at the SOS have left a lonely shell someplace.

Before anyone bites my head off , I am not a helmet expert or purport to be one. I do have helmets in my collection and own some decent ones. Being they are not the sole target of my collecting is why I have not formed an opinion on these helmets . I have been in the trenches collecting for about 37 years and have seen a lot of anomalies. I also understand how anomalies are not enthusiastically accepted and valued as boilerplated items. So I get the guys that just don't like them ......real or not or should I say postwar painted or not.

**francis006** · 12-30-2014, 03:21 AM

Originally posted by NickG View Post

Look at this one... Fire related but used by the resistance maybe? Similar roundel...The dealer description does not make sense to me!
scroll down to reference M17! Perhaps hand painted is war time and clean decal is post war commemorative for resistance fighter veterans?
or still military related (CZ air force?)

http://www.garyhendershott.net/catalog2013_03.html

Sorry again for my "interference" after this legitimate interrogation Nick but when you see the faked rare helmets he sells ( bad Heer's , RAD decals etc...) and the Italian that looks to be post war , I am afraid you can't give credit to each pieces before checking them first .

**NickG** · 12-30-2014, 03:42 AM

Originally posted by francis006 View Post

Sorry again for my "interference" after this legitimate interrogation Nick but when you see the faked rare helmets he sells ( bad Heer's , RAD decals etc...) and the Italian that looks to be post war , I am afraid you can't give credit to each pieces before checking them first .

I was just curious about the roundel on that black helmet and what its purpose is for...since the German tan overpaint has one in decal form...crudely painted would be resistance I imagine! Not really looked at that dealer's entire offering that close honestly but yes buyer beware, do your homework.. Hence these threads and forums! .

Originally posted by Dennis S View Post

That said , even though I have not formed a positive opinion on the helmets . I had
to stick up for Nick when I thought the circle jerk crew were being rude.

I think the amount of time and effort he has put in the discussion is admirable and weathered most of the side handed condescending insults

I don't know why I'm rambling here and not sure if Nick is right or wrong I'm just sticking up for Nick because I think he is good guy and doesn't deserve the crap.
Thanks for posting Nick.

Anyway my advise to Nick, give it up it's not worth taking the insults .......if you had a dead German still wearing one of these helmets you won't convince those that dug their heels in..

Thanks Dennis...some called me a moderator even...and others a bad researcher...oh well...
just can't please them all I guess....
I do enjoy these mysteries like a good detective novel and I have elephant skin. No worries!!
Like you stated earlier: press on!!
NickG

PS; I knew you would get a big kick out of all that (SS) tan coming out of the Protektorat!

**Schwerpunkt** · 12-30-2014, 03:59 AM

Dennis , did not read a rude post here yet.
Frank yes but not rude in my opinion.
It is important that when people try to be a flagbearer for new theories that they can withstand a stress test (the theory itself I mean).
The stress test being performed by the knowledgeable helmet collectors whom attach a great deal to originality and have experienced many other claims in the past by people trying to insert unresearched claims as fact. It happened quite a lot over the years sadly.
Thus it is very important that as a group we stand together and be as critical as we can be for the future of our hobby and be honest also when the prove is actually there.

Originally posted by Dennis S View Post

Doug, I have always found you to be extremely polite and willing to share information and your collection. Your always willing to answer pms and answer questions , I do not consider you one of the rude that post here. I am also a member of wahalla and have always found it much more civil there. So I'm a bit confused as why some are rude here, but polite there. So it's not directed at you.
I understand the difference between frustration and rudeness.

That said , even though I have not formed a positive opinion on the helmets . I had
To stick up for Nick when I thought the circle jerk crew were being rude. It is very typical for the jackals to throw out innuendos , side handed insults and whatever the brave computer jockies think is smart. ( now I guess I'm being rude ,but not calling anyone in particular out. )

I don't think some even read entire posts as the responses to my posts were answered as I was a cheerleader for the helmets ignoring the purpose of my post.

I don't know why I'm rambling here and not sure if Nick is right or wrong I'm just sticking up for Nick because I think he is good guy and doesn't deserve the crap. I think Nick heart is in the right place , even if his opinion may be construed as flawed by some.

I think the amount of time and effort he has put in the discussion is admirable and weathered most of the side handed condescending insults . Did he get sidetracked now and then ........maybe so. (Like the iconic German helmet theory.) The Czech and tropical photos he posted were great. Thanks for posting Nick.

Anyway my advise to Nick, give it up it's not worth taking the insults .......if you had a dead German still wearing one of these helmets you won't convince those that dug their heels in. It has now become an exercise in frustration for you. Although I don't think you locked in or proved your theory . You are up against a wall of diversions of those trying you make you look like an ass. Plus, many of these helmets have probably been monkeyed with , so someone is always going to pull one out of their ass to blur the argument. I don't mean the Czech resistance one. I mean relinered or such as I'm sure those stacks of liners we see at the SOS have left a lonely shell someplace.

Before anyone bites my head off , I am not a helmet expert or purport to be one. I do have helmets in my collection and own some decent ones. Being they are not the sole target of my collecting is why I have not formed an opinion on these helmets . I have been in the trenches collecting for about 37 years and have seen a lot of anomalies. I also understand how anomalies are not enthusiastically accepted and valued as boilerplated items. So I get the guys that just don't like them ......real or not or should I say postwar painted or not.

**kevinpre45** · 12-30-2014, 06:38 AM

Name calling

Hello all
Ive just reread this last page. Calling people a "prick" is totally unacceptable! I realize some people get emotional when they disagree. But if you don't like the topic GUESS WHAT? You don't have to read it! So lets all tone it down a tad,OK?
Kevin

**90th Light** · 12-30-2014, 06:51 AM

Originally posted by DougB View Post

Chris if you want to be a prick, go ahead. But I will bite my tongue.

By open research I meant having an open shared dialogue among collectors researching this point. My apologies that my grammatical skillset is not on the level of yours. I hope you will find a way to forgive the error of my ways.

That said I wont play your emotional game of "I know more about the Holocaust and what Israel would and wouldn't do than you cuz my dad was there" nor am I here to debate you. You cannot accept any other theory or challenges to your theory without making it clear that others who may challenge you are wrong (and apparently your intellectual inferiors) and go on just repeating the same things over and over, like the Chinese Water Torture test that this thread has become.

You have a dog in this because you own one of the helmets. I don't know what your motive is but it appears to be so that you can be seen to be that much smarter than everyone else here. Whether you sell your stuff or not, I really could care less.

But sorry I wont just roll over and accept your weak theories as fact.

You say: "The following facts still remain in place "

1/ RAL sand/ tan / brown paint used by German during WW2
Yes but not necessarily on these helmets. The tan matched Warsaw Pact colors as well as postwar Czech and Middle Eastern. You have zero proof a RAL color used but the German army was used on these helmets.

2/ Helmets found in CZ where a SS distribution depot was also located.
Cz is a big ass country. THere were German helmets and depots in pretty much every occupied country and much of CZ was annexed or Reich Protectorate. Big deal. Proves nothing.

3/ Other hoards of SS tropical uniforms and other uniform items found.
Has nothing to do with helmets sorry.

4/ SS soldiers wore a sand/ tan / brown steel helmet during WW2 in an even uncamo pattern without a SS rune shield on the side ( so did LW & other Wehrmacht/ party forces)
AS you said, so did other service branches. But you insist on calling these SS helmets. I own 2 SS helmets that are tan/mustard brown (I posted only 1). Those I promise you are real SS helmets. B&W photos do not tie these helmets to the ones in the photos, and no proof those were not overpaints with template painted skirts. As well, B&W images do not show the shade of color. DAK pink also shows as light color. Mustard brown, tan, pink, all will be a lighter shade than the typical feldgrau.

5/ Extensive use of SS tropical uniform items, Wehrmacht tropical & other uniform items at the end of WW2 by CZ resistance & partisan forces.
And no use of these mystery helmet horde. If these "depots" you speak of had so many helmets why aren't the freedom fighters wearing them? (Oh I forgot, German helmets are a sign they are Nazi's and therefor cannot be worn by freedom fighters when other helmet choices are available...)

So, Chris, I am not here to debate you but as you asked I will say yet again, I think for the 6th time in this thread - why these MAY WELL NOT BE wartime German (SS) helmets.

1. QVL stamped M42 post date the time period the SS-P was deployed to Greece for occupation and anti-partisan duties.

2. 2 colors of factory tan on the same helmet. Makes zero sense.

3. Both colors overstamped by mystery domestamp. Domestamps are factory applied and when done is done to all helmets not a selection.

In addition:

4. Lack of texture to the helmets. So the Germans stripped them down, to the bare metal, and did a full repaint when it was far more effiecient and standard procedure to refinish helmets by a simple overpaint, even skirt painted with a template.

5. Possible foreign contract (Israel is not disproven at this point).

6. Longtime collector recalls these being sold in NYC with Israeli markings.

7. Cz collector with clear evidence that the "RAL tan" was painted postwar overtop Cz postwar markings.

8. Dumps of these helmets in black and other colors postwar repaints by the Cz.
So no chance they could have done "RAL tan"...

9. Warsaw Pact color match to the "RAL tan".

I am sure I missed a few.

But like I said, I am open to these being wartime. But claims must be held accountable to far more than what has been shown here thus far to support these helmets being 100% German (SS) factory refurbishments.

That is all I am saying. I would appreciate words not being put in my mouth this time.

Cheers, and with diminished respect.

Doug

Doug,

Ok so we can agree on some things;

1/ You know as much about how the Israeli government viewed German helmets in 1948 as I do

2/ That shade of sand/ tan/ brown RAL was used during WW2 and is not post-war epoxy

3/ The Germans left a reasonable quantity of steel helmets in the CZ at the end of WW2

4/ There is nothing so far that does not prove the hoard of WW2 German steel helmets where not found in the same place as other hoards of WW2 German uniforms and equipment in the CZ after May 1945

5/ The shade of sand/ tan/ brown RAL in question can be confused with other mono tropical finishes in black and white photos. Thus being over-looked in the past.

6/ it was dangerous for CZ freedom fighters to wear German helmets & uniforms in 1945. However, many did out of necessity or lack of other military headgear/ uniform

7/ "OVL" helmets are replacement stock for helmets lost in tropical areas like Greece to maintain inventory levels. Order for replacements have to have been made some time in 1944 onwards but before May 1945

8/ Many sand/ tan/ brown RAL helmets observed are not "2 colors of factory tan"

9/ Neither you or I have had a hands-on inspection of a CZ found helmet with a dome stamp

10/ No evidence real or circumstantial of a contract to buy WW2 German helmets from the CZ by another country after May 1945 has come to light

11/ Longtime collector recall of NYC helmet with Israeli markings is in same boat as SS Police Division memory except SS veteran had a photo album of what he remembered.

12/ Cz collector evidence of "RAL tan" painted postwar over top of Cz postwar markings is in the same boat as dome stamps. More examples of such over-paint needed to confirm one-off case.

13/ No evidence to date of RAL tan repaints like other color postwar repaints by the Cz such as black but this possibility could be considered.

14/ There exists a need to find items that show a Warsaw Pact color match to the "RAL tan" it might exist.

We both remain open-minded to war time or post war,

Chris

**francis006** · 12-30-2014, 07:05 AM

Originally posted by 90th Light View Post

12/ Cz collector evidence of "RAL tan" was painted postwar overtop Cz postwar markings is in the same boat as dome stamps. More examples of such over-paint needed to confirm one-off case.

Chris

Sorry Chris but at least this comparison is false as the paint is from the Czech batch and over the emblem so it is a FACT the emblem is original . Not sure at all for the stamp so far .
BTW you asked for one pic to prove they weren't for the SS , here it is and now you want more

**90th Light** · 12-30-2014, 07:12 AM

Originally posted by francis006 View Post

Sorry Chris but at least this comparison is false as the paint is from the Czech batch and over the emblem so it is a FACT the emblem is original . Not sure at all for the stamp so far .
BTW you asked for one pic to prove they weren't for the SS , here it it and now you want more

And how do we not know that is original and not a set-up ???

After all has not that exact same question been asked of the dome stamps ?

However, if original then where there is one there is more. Thus more cases helps confirm. But a one-off only case ???

Chris

**francis006** · 12-30-2014, 07:29 AM

Originally posted by 90th Light View Post

And how do we not know that is original and not a set-up ???

After all has not that exact same question been asked of the dome stamps ?

However, if original then where there is one there is more. Thus more cases helps confirm. But a one-off only case ???

Chris

Set up !! are you serious Chris ? then please explain me how to add a fake emblem UNDER the original Czech paint ( look closer the pics) ??? Or you say all is fake ?? if you think it's the case , like it has been already said there is no more interest to continue this thread .
Stamp issue is different as it is OVER the paint so easy to fake , add to this there is stain or anything that seems running UNDER and if you collect helmets, you know there is something wrong with this . I don't talk about the oddity that it is OVER 2 different layers of tan and should be applied at the factory , not on depot reissue

**kevinpre45** · 12-30-2014, 07:56 AM

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Hey there!
Speak for yourself! Im enjoying the thread! And yes as stated earlier I have 20 of these "iffy" helmets! Why is there such resistance to the point of name callings,insults,and personal attacks just for tryn to find out what these really are? Like I said earlier If you don't like thread don't participate! Go look at some "text book" examples and be happy!
Kevin

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