italian collars

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Three samples of ministerial eagles with different embroidery:

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Eagle for the visor of an Army Corps Generale and above:

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- General Staff officer attached to HQ of the Arezzo Infantry division

- Infantry assault engineers (circular order no. 21/1941)

- District Coys (the fabric is described in the circular as a bluish black but there are many examples that tend more to the blue):

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Artillery of Coastal Brigade (variant)

Engineers' of Coastal Brigade (variant)

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Infantry, mortars and machine-gun units of a Motorized Division:

[Passo Stanco]

ciao
I never see the artillery "pipe" on the coastal division collar patch. I think is better your solution with a colored border around the collar patch.

[enorepap]

The insignia of the coastal divisions are very rare to see even in the period photographs indeed. This variant is proposed by some important uniformologists, I believe in adherence to the mountain artillery and therefore some specimens should have existed, even if one can not exclude, at least theoretically, a very sporadic use of the one-pointed flame of artillery superimposed on the divisional collar patch. I think there was a lot of confusion in the coastal's uniforms. Probably many artillery units more simply used their normal artillery pipes also because there was a very whirling rotation of the units within these divisions and brigades, some of which were formed ad hoc and with a very variable organic.

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1st Air Force Assault Regiment:

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Public Security Agents and Police of Italian Africa:

[Passo Stanco]

ciao
the collar tabs of the mvsn legions are Always alone. never on the collar tabs of the division.
very nice tables.

about coastal division :

The insignia of the coastal divisions are very rare to see even in the period photographs indeed. This variant is proposed by some important uniformologists, I believe in adherence to the mountain artillery and therefore some specimens should have existed, even if one can not exclude, at least theoretically, a very sporadic use of the one-pointed flame of artillery superimposed on the divisional collar patch. I think there was a lot of confusion in the coastal's uniforms. Probably many artillery units more simply used their normal artillery pipes also because there was a very whirling rotation of the units within these divisions and brigades, some of which were formed ad hoc and with a very variable organic.

I confirm I think that artillery units mounted only artillery collar tabs. this is an original example of divisional collar tabs bordered Yellow for artillery.

[enorepap]

Hallo Passo Stanco

I thank you for your compliments.

As for the MVSN's black flames, also I have always seen them alone and in reduced size on war jackets, except in one case (many, many years ago) when I personally saw the special composite insignia of the 108th Legion of the Messina Division. Surely the jacket (unfortunately not mine) was original and very probably this system was perhaps the result of particular initiatives but, at least in that case of which I was an eyewitness, it existed.

I really like the insignia of the coastal artillery that you posted. I remember only one of the same specific type belonging to the 211th coastal division. In my turn, I enclose an image (the collar patch is not mine) apparently belonging to the 223rd or the 202nd (difficult to say because of the wear of time on the colors) which appears original to me and would also prove the existence of the other variant.

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I found this image that I remembered and that is referable to the 15th divisional Legion (Infantry Division Wolves of Tuscany).

No doubt, the black flames are worn, as far as I can see, without the divisional collar patches.

[Semovente]

Great work enorepap loving the subject .
I have this pair of what i think are reworked MVSN collar flames , converted for the change after 43 to RSI salo government !?

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Hallo semovente

Many thanks for your kind words

From the shots you have posted, I agree with you even if I'm not a RSI collector.

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And now a really complicated but necessary topic, otherwise we can think that only the Germans had their foreign legions.

But no, even the Italians although obviously not known. In summary:

In the first phase, three centers were set up: T Center with Italian staff; Center A with Italian and Arabic staff; I Center with Italian and Indian staff.

In the second phase these Centers were merged into the Frecce Rosse Group with the Italo-Arab Group; the Battalion Hazad Hindoustan and the Assault Battalion Tunisia (formed with entirely Italian personnel it was the only one to enter into combat).

Some shots found on the net:

The war-flag of Center I