So that makes Heer, Kriegsmarine and Waffen SS printed eagles. Anybody ever seen a Luftwaffe one? The only reason why I am asking is I have had one that looks (well to me anyway) right, but have never ever seen another. I have posted it before and it got a mixed bag of replies. Just thought I would bring it up again.
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Hello David, Can you post your luft one to this thread so we have all of them in one thread together? That would be very helpful.
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Hello,
I still haven,t heard back from Paul yet but I did hear back from another collector who has a pair that are used and more of a brownish color. He is on vacation and hopefully join this thread when he returns.
Andi and Chris- Could you guy please post shots of the reverse of your tabs and Andi your eagle? Thanks.
I started a thread in the photo and paper section asking if anybody has a period photo of one of these eagles in wear. So far there has been no response. I again post the request if anybody has a period photo of this second pattern eagle in wear please post it. Thanks.
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Here is the backside of the other eagle. The material on wich it was
printed is a very stiff one. You can put it at one wing and the other dont go down.Comment
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Hello,
I have been sending out some pm's and posting on the forum for some more information on this eagle(period photo) and the "French" lining/shirt material.
Period photo. So far I haven't heard back from anybody having or had seen a period photo of this second pattern printed eagle or of these printed collar tabs in wear. We have seen period photos of the first pattern 3-color eagle.
French shirt material. I heard back from anmarlodz that he has since sold the overcoat that was lined in this material and it was then sold again. Thank you for responding. Member Ir 143 gave me a link to French WWII shirts but none of the photos were big enough to compare the cloth. http://al30-40.forumactif.org/t68-ch...-aux-annees-50 Thank you for responding and sending that very interesting link
. Paul McKee who owns the German WWII tunic that is lined in this French material that this eagle is supposed made from responded to my pm. I sent him the eagle to compare to the lining material. He took a couple of pictures and showed me the comparison. The eagle has a 4/1weave fabric(skips over 4 threads before going under one) and the lining has a 2/1. The eagle and the lining material are definitely not the same cloth. I am waiting to hear back from a couple of more members on the cloth issue.
I have absolutely no problem with the original late war Heer 3-color printed eagle that started this thread nor with any of the other 3-color eagles posted. The are documented with period photos, The eagle itself usually has bleed through of the ink and cut lines, It is folded in the late war, ease of sewing, triangular method(except for one) and they are machine sewn.
I have great problems in believing that this second pattern printed eagle is original for the following reasons:
The manufacturing process is unlike any other piece of Third Reich insignia that I have ever seen. The coloring used is almost like a paint and does not soak into the material and give you that "Bleed through" on the back.
There are no cut lines. The material that it is printed on so far has not been confirmed to be French Shirt material.
The pattern of the eagle is more stylized and not simplified as the 3-color eagle is.
The two versions of this second pattern eagle that have been used and appear tunic removed, one posted and another image sent to me, have been cut and folded in the conventional manner not in the trapezoidal style. This is totally defeating the purpose of making simplistic printed eagles. There are no fold lines to follow which makes it hard to fold and very very time consuming. Both of these eagles also appear to be hand sewn. Oss contributed a picture of a folded 3-color eagle and it is machine sewn! I would expect these second pattern eagles to be machine sewn and in the trapezoidal style if these were actually the last of the last Heer issue breast eagle.
These are the reasons I find it hard to believe in these eagles as original pieces. If a period phot shows up and the material is truly confirmed as French shirt material I believe that thes are reproduction collector myth pieces.
Fred
PS My photos are smaller than expected. I will try and resize them or have Paul McKee post them. Sorry for the inconvienience.Last edited by Fred Green; 07-31-2015, 05:26 PM.Comment
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Here's the photos in a larger size; the printed eagle laying on top of the M43 lining.
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Hello,
The last line of my previous comment should read "These are the reasons I find it hard to believe in these eagles as original pieces. If a period photo shows up and the material is truly confirmed as French material, I would then reconsider. Until then IMHO these are reproduction collector myth pieces to me."
Thanks Paul for posting the enlarged photos.
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Hello,
I had a very interesting reply from forum member Ir 143 concerning this material in this thread that I started in the International forum: http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=814162 He states that this is not French shirt material. If I understand correctly Ir 143 and a friend are the owners of the French shirts in this link: http://al30-40.forumactif.org/t68-ch...-aux-annees-50 What type of material is this then?
I request again, if anybody has some of this French shirt/lining material can they please take some close up shots so we can compare it to these eagles. Thanks again.
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I've really liked this thread. I am going to have to get one of these when one comes up! Super cool eagles.Comment
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The second pattern are available from Weitze. The 3-color first pattern show up from time to time. Collectors Guild had on not to long ago.
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Hello Edoudou68,
Great picture. Can you get a closer shot of it? It appears to be multiple colors and not just white on a green background. There is another color around the swastika and the wings appear highlighted to me.
After looking at the eagle again I can say positively that this is a 3-color 1st pattern printed eagle. It is sewn in the trapezoidal method and if it were the 2nd pattern eagle you would be able to see the white outline that goes around the eagle.
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