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**Jeff V** · 10-11-2010, 01:38 PM

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**Jeff V** · 10-11-2010, 01:39 PM

number 3

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**Jeff V** · 10-11-2010, 01:40 PM

number 4

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**Willi Z.** · 10-11-2010, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by Jeff V View Post

It is worth it Willi. Here are some images. Please tell us which ones are original?
jeff

I was directing that to John and Mike.

So far I like the 1st one and maybe the 4th one. Not sure about the 4th one yet though.

**Jeff V** · 10-11-2010, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by Willi Zahn View Post

I was directing that to John and Mike.

So far I like the 1st one and maybe the 4th one. Not sure about the 4th one yet though.

Well the fourth one you said was a fake in an earlier thread. To me all are basically identical. Maybe Bob can show us the reverse of his 3 field gray-backed examples. If anyone can point out to me what makes any one of these field gray backed examples fake and other ones real I would like to hear it.
jeff

**Bob Hritz** · 10-11-2010, 03:39 PM

Jeff,

I am at your service.

Bob Hritz

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**Jeff V** · 10-11-2010, 03:42 PM

Thank you Bob.
best wishes,
jeff

**Willi Z.** · 10-11-2010, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by Jeff V View Post

Well the fourth one you said was a fake in an earlier thread. To me all are basically identical. Maybe Bob can show us the reverse of his 3 field gray-backed examples. If anyone can point out to me what makes any one of these field gray backed examples fake and other ones real I would like to hear it.
jeff

Well, I didn't say I liked it now though, did I?

I knew your motive was to play entrapment games. I don't appreciate it.

**Jeff V** · 10-11-2010, 03:50 PM

In comparing Bob's examples with those I posted (silver post number 2) and the three posted together (number 3) they are obviously identical. How did Willi without even looking at the reverse of Bob's patches declare them to be original and yet say the others were no good? These pieces are either all original (which I personally believe) or all fakes. I can see no evidence that some are good and others not.
best wishes,
jeff

**Bob Hritz** · 10-11-2010, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by Jeff V View Post

In comparing Bob's examples with those I posted (silver post number 2) and the three posted together (number 3) they are obviously identical. These pieces are either all original (which I personally believe) or all fakes. I can see no evidence that some are good and others not.
best wishes,
jeff

I completely agree.

Bob Hritz

**Willi Z.** · 10-11-2010, 04:09 PM

Are we prepared to say all of the ones on Feldgrau are fake?

**Jeff V** · 10-11-2010, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by Willi Zahn View Post

Are we prepared to say all of the ones on Feldgrau are fake?

I don't know that is for sure. The ones I owned I always felt were good because other than the field gray backing compared to the lighter gray backing they looked the same. It always seemed quite possible that a different factory made the field gray ones or the same factory made them both using different wool backings. One thing that does concern me about the field gray examples is that none has ever surfaced in a attributed group and they all exhibit virtually no wear or signs of age.
jeff

**Johnny R** · 10-11-2010, 04:29 PM

Does anyone have examples of known 1957 and later manufactured awards for the BW?

**Michael N** · 10-11-2010, 04:46 PM

Are we prepared to say all of the ones on Feldgrau are fake?

No, I dont think we should pull the trigger just yet.

There are original examples here is mine which I consider original period made.

You need to have these in your hands, the fine details dont come up properly with a camera. I will not talk more about this on an open forum.

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**Willi Z.** · 10-11-2010, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by Jeff V View Post

How did Willi without even looking at the reverse of Bob's patches declare them to be original and yet say the others were no good?

Why? Because I might have made a hasty judgment based on who posted the item. My mistake. That is the reality of the hobby, no matter how we don't think it is fair sometimes. We do judge, again sometimes unfairly, ones ability based on the quality of their collection. Sometimes you step out on a limb and the limb breaks off. I would still prefer to be out on that limb than on the ground watching. Lesson learned.

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