My First German Uniform..Panzer Grenadier

[NickG]

Good catch. Indeed a Polizei farbe was used now that I'm paying more attention to that... but they did use what was available at the time...
who knows...? Its really hard to prove... but crooked stitching could be a sign of post war tampering..
Instead of these waffen rock type tabs (but here polizei substitutes were used)
it would look better with a set like these (in the event its priven to be an inaccuate restoration job).
Otherwise leave it alone as anomolies like this certainly did happen!

[Sammler]

Those would be incorrect for an ornamented service blouse. Are you referring to the farbe only?

[Johnny R]

Can you post a picture of the underside of the collar and a close up of the stitching. Also, the stitching of the piping on the inside of the lapels.

[NickG]

Those would be incorrect for an ornamented service blouse. Are you referring to the farbe only?

You are right... I have the same uniform but the fancy dress piping was period removed for daily use (only visible inside the flap)
and this type of standard collar tabs (like the post 16 example shows) were added during the war.

That's what got me confused! Sometimes these alte art pre war piped uniforms were used for daily use (recycled basically) during the war
and the collar tabs switched to regular ones (like post 16)..
but in most cases the piping was removed or at least was supposed to be removed!

For ornamental use ("best dress") you are absolutely right; the farbe backed pre-war fancy bullion litzen (like parade uniforms/waffen rocks)
would be correct here!
albeit not polizei green, but Pz Gren green!

[Johnny R]

You are right... I have the same uniform but the fancy dress piping was period removed for daily use (only visible inside the flap)
and this type of standard collar tabs (like the post 16 exampl eshows) were added during the war.
that's what got me confused!
For ornamental use ("best dress") the farbe backed bullion litzen (like parade uniforms/waffen rocks) would be correct here! You are right!
albeit not polizei green, Pz Gren green!

That sounds like a Waffenrock modified for Service wear. Does it have an 8 button front.

[NickG]

That sounds like a Waffenrock modified for Service wear. Does it have an 8 button front.

Does not appear to be an 8 button front...
Piping was removed (only visible on inside flap and standard off litzen)

[Johnny R]

Need better pictures, with that image I could only make the most basic observations-

[armystuff]

Can you post a picture of the underside of the collar and a close up of the stitching. Also, the stitching of the piping on the inside of the lapels.

Heres a couple of pics for ya and go to the listed link below when you guys get a chance. Ive uploaded quite a few pics for ya..thanks for all the great information..souunds like I did good..lol.. When I got the tunic, it had the ribbon bar (with the double on top..btw..is that correct?) and thats it. You could see where the iron cross was, but it was missing..I replaced that and added the wound and tanker badges since I alrealy had them in my collection everything else is how I got it..Let me know if you guys would like some more pics!

http://www.armystuff.org/Images/temp/

[Johnny R]

Hello, I meant a picture of the piping where it is sewn into the lapel- like this one -

[Johnny R]

Can you post an in focus picture of the under collar. Was the collar mothed like that before the piping was sewn in? Can you post a picture of the wool at the cuffs too. Does the wool have a visible weave like the example on the left or is it like the right? I need to spend quality time with my wife at the Mall blowing money that could be used for important things like tunics but will be back later.

[armystuff]

Also, it looks like it had at one time a dagger hanger and waist strap..both have been removed but you can see in some of pics there is a hole above the pocket under the flap where the dagger would hang and stiching where the belt was..Any idea why they would remove these? Maybe it wasnt used and just in the way at the time. is this a usuall modification on german tunics?

[armystuff]

Can you post an in focus picture of the under collar. Was the collar mothed like that before the piping was sewn in? Can you post a picture of the wool at the cuffs too. Does the wool have a visible weave like the example on the left or is it like the right? I need to spend quality time with my wife at the Mall blowing money that could be used for important things like tunics but will be back later.

Johnny R...Ive got to say nice camera!..Im afraid my old piece of junk camera wont get em that clear..(or me may be me and not the camera! lol)..Ive taken some more pics and put them in that folder I listed earilier..but heres a coule in the post for ya..to answer your question, I would say the piping is original. it looks to me like its always been there and the mothing is later. The stitching looks to be like the one on the left as far as I can tell but its the same color as the material so its hard to tell, expecially with my bad eye sight . Hope you can make out the pics...

[armystuff]

Johnny R..fyi the pics I have stored in the: http://www.armystuff.org/Images/temp/ folder is higher resolution so check them out..you may be able to tell more by those pics...

[Johnny R]

Sammler

Just out of curiosity At the SOS was "Sammler" involved in this sale or George Peterson.

[Richard P]

Please don't get me wrong...it's a great and rare piece. I believe the amateur sewing job pictured on the tabs most likely proves that some one tinkered with it post war and placed Police officer tabs on in error. It is an easy fix once the correct tabs are found, and it will still be a great piece with matching tabs. Congratulations!

Richard