Help buying flight pants, opinions, pricing, etc.?

[hs132]

You guys did notice the arm compass.. ?

Jos.

Wow, nothing gets by you. There is a cufftitle on the the 3rd person also. It might be a Wever. Best, Bill

[frank savage]

Hi Bill! How are you?

I think that the cuff title is not 'Wever', because the whole title is 'Geschwader General Wever, and the last words before the word 'Wever' are 'der'... So could be more likely 'Jagdgeschwader Molders'. In some example the 'M', could be changed with an 'W'... What do you think, mate?

Ciao!

[hs132]

Hi Frank, all is well. Here is the full pic. I had to sift thru several book to find it. The caption reads JG3 and their leader Hauptmann Karl-Heinz Langer, this unit was assigned to the z.b.V. Special Purpose Jagd in May 1944 and then to JG300. this is from the book Fighter by Werner Held. Best, Bill











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[Scott A. Hess]

Jut, I dont think the little green canvas material you mentioned is BS, here is aphoto of an ORIGINAL usissued pair of Luft quilted winter reversible pants that I own, they used this same type of cloth in the making of the suspenders, on the flight pants, its just two rows of it together, and then down below, one row of it. I think they just used scrap material again where it could be used. However, I realize you don't like the pants, Im merely pointing out this type of material was used in making luft items. Now, maybe this green tape here is repro, I still like the pants, but below one can see that such a thing was used.

[Scott A. Hess]

Below the material used in suspenders, htese are on the quilted rectangular Luft reversible trousers, blue to white, as opposed to the green to white diamond quilted reversible pants.

[Scott A. Hess]

Another shot, I knew I had seen this type of material before, and here it is again on the pants I own.

[Jos L C]

OK, here's the eyes of a faker..

Hey, those flagpoles could've caused some damage, so the pocket needs extra strength, lets add some straps to confuse these stupe collectors..

Very unlikely.. , besides that the Summer pants are the most faked, if not the only, because they only have to copy the "outside" of the pants, which is more easy than to copy a complicated winter or electrical type..
ALL fake pants have errors sofar.., same with jackets.., goggles etc..

I'm still not getting nervous when it comes to clothing, goggles etc.., it's all in the details, material etc..
My hope is that these people finally will throw the towel in the ring ..
I've seen many promising items go for 150-200, while the fakers probably had 1000nds in mind..


Jos.

[hs132]

Hello, here are some more pics courtesy of another member. While I dont own a set of the suede fur lined jackets/pants I have in the past and recall that pocket being re inforced. Best, Bill

[Scott A. Hess]

I own a suede blue set much like Bills, I'll check out the flag pole are as well. I still opine the heated ones sold on ebay are

[juvatwad]

ALL fake pants have errors sofar.., same with jackets.., goggles etc..

Yes, Jos, like the wiring set-up in the ones discussed as far as I'm concerned. And I'll say it for the last time just so you guys don't keep thinking I claim these are made up fakes. I think they are post war, real wired pants. I just think they are being passed off as WWII Luftwaffe. And anyone can add a label without the stitches going showing through the outer layer of fabric. I've seen photos of 1950 era Soviet pilots wearing pants that looked just like WWII Luft pants from the outside.

Well, we won't ever agree on these, but that's why we have our own individual collections. Peace.....

Ian

[RamJet]

Would be great if anyone had a post-war East Bloc original pair with the respective label to compare.

[Scott A. Hess]

Im willing to keep an open mind, and learn, we agree to disagree, and respectfully, I want to learn as much as the next person, and am always willing to take a bow when Im wrong I have no problem with that. I checked my Blue Suede pants (err shoes and no cloth reinforcement, but I've seen it before, I too hope someone who collects post war Czech will show us some examples (unless they are not around as they have been converted to german fakes , or they dont fit the bill, time will tell. Im happy I have the pairs I do and feel comfortable with them.
This has been a good thread, and never got nasty and such, I like that!

[werner]

Hi guys,

I don't know if it will help you.
Here is pic of mine.

[RamJet]

Yeah, Scott, You're right, a very good thread. I've learned a lot in the last days.

Unfortunately, I have no blue channel pants to compare, only the tan one.

[Jos L C]

WW II versus postwar Czech..

My observations concerning the electrical pants, I've studied them again.., again I think that all material that was used looks WW II ..

Question :

Did Czech use WW II connectors, I always thought they should be different/converted..

Question :

Again I'll raise the question why postwar stuff should've flagpole pockets..
We've seen many WW II items coming from the Czech country, like flightsuits, flightcaps, boots.. all WW II .. ( I'm talking about the real stuff, not the latest fakes )..
SO, if you start making flightpants WITH flagpole pockets, where're all those flagpoles then ??
I don't buy the story like : "they just copied stuff without using their brains, so that's why these pants have flagpole pockets, even re-inforced and all that.. "

Tell me, how many flagpoles are found in Czechoslovakia sofar ?
As far as I know not even one ..

I can imagine removing the flagpole pocket from WW II pants, because they had no postwar use, but adding them just for fun or for the cosmetics on postwar pants doesn't do it for me ..

Did the Czech use flagpoles postwar ?
I guess not, because even during the war this item was not much used, that's why we see less of them in era pics IMO..
Just look at all pics with the leather suits, almost all flagpole pockets are empty, while they had 2 pockets no less..
.., besides that, like I said, haven't seen any flagpoles coming from Eastern Europe.. nor the flags ..
Let's be happy they haven't faked them yet..
Same with mirrors, all coming from Czech are fake IMO, no good mirrors were stored there, otherwise we would have one already..

Jos.