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    #31
    #21, KM Signal flag ...

    Originally posted by rhudspith View Post
    P & Co on a signal flag

    Rob:
    Once again thanks, had forgot about KM Signal flags even though
    I had a couple somewhere in my long term collection storage. To all
    again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
    -----------------------( 4-8-10 update, rev#5 )------------------------
    1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
    2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed
    3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
    4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW ob (Gosch)
    5. Houe Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW observed
    6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
    7. Lorenz Summa Sonne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (mostly Gosch flags)
    8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
    9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
    10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
    11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
    12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
    .....might be #10 or #11?
    13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
    14. Wurttembegische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW
    15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
    16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
    17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
    18. Buffeldorfer Fahnenfabrik , [location] ??? (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
    19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF)
    20. Fahnen-Kraisel, (WAF T=330981), *OFW observed (RKF)
    21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
    Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
    ..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
    Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
    ..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Known fakes: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
    Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
    Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)**
    Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
    Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
    ***************************************
    ....... OLDFLAGSWANTED .......
    Last edited by oldflagswanted; 04-08-2010, 01:38 PM.
    sigpic
    .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

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      #32
      Fk6, Alte Garde

      Recent posted NSDAP Alte Garde (gold party badge) flag now Fk5.
      Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
      -----------------------( 4-8-10 update, rev#6 )------------------------
      1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
      2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed
      3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
      4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW ob (Gosch)
      5. Houe Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW observed
      6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
      7. Lorenz Summa Sonne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (mostly Gosch flags)
      8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
      9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
      10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
      11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
      12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
      .....might be #10 or #11?
      13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
      14. Wurttembegische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW
      15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
      16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
      17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
      18. Buffeldorfer Fahnenfabrik , [location] ??? (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
      19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF)
      20. Fahnen-Kraisel, (WAF T=330981), *OFW observed (RKF)
      21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
      --------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
      Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
      ..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
      Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
      ..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
      --------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
      Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
      Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)**
      Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
      Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
      Fk5. Phillip Bouhler, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alte Garde)
      ***************************************
      ....... OLDFLAGSWANTED .......
      sigpic
      .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

      Comment

        #33
        How about this maker?

        Gabriel Herest A.G
        Konstenz

        Not 100% sure if that's it but looks that way...
        Attached Files

        Comment

          #34
          #22p, pending RKF review ???

          Originally posted by Trance_Eyes View Post
          How about this maker?
          Gabriel Herest A.G
          Konstenz
          Not 100% sure if that's it but looks that way...
          T_E:
          Likewise not sure if period, header has track weave row, but both
          it and RKF field material appears rather light weight. So would like
          to see whole flag, also stamp is poorly applied with overprint edge.
          Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
          -----------------------( 4-9-10 update, count=22 )------------------------
          1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
          2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed
          3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
          4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW ob (Gosch)
          5. Houe Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW observed
          6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
          7. Lorenz Summa Sonne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (mostly Gosch flags)
          8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
          9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
          10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
          11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
          12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
          .....might be #10 or #11?
          13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
          14. Wurttembegische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW
          15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
          16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
          17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
          18. Buffeldorfer Fahnenfabrik , [location] ??? (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
          19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF)
          20. Fahnen-Kraisel, (WAF T=330981), *OFW observed (RKF)
          21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
          22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
          --------------------------------------------------------------------------
          Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
          Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
          ..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
          Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
          ..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
          --------------------------------------------------------------------------
          Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
          Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
          Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)**
          Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
          Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
          Fk5. Phillip Bouhler, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alte Garde)
          ***************************************
          ....... OLDFLAGSWANTED .......
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          sigpic
          .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

          Comment

            #35
            #12 example

            Below is a #12 example, previouly posted on the WAF back in Feb 08.
            Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
            -----------------------( 4-9-10 update, count=22 )------------------------
            1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
            2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed
            3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
            4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW ob (Gosch)
            5. Houe Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW observed
            6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
            7. Lorenz Summa Sonne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (mostly Gosch flags)
            8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
            9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
            10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
            11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
            12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
            .....might be #10 or #11?
            13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
            14. Wurttembegische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW
            15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
            16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
            17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
            18. Buffeldorfer Fahnenfabrik , [location] ??? (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
            19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF)
            20. Fahnen-Kraisel, (WAF T=330981), *OFW observed (RKF)
            21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
            22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
            --------------------------------------------------------------------------
            Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
            Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
            ..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
            Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
            ..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
            --------------------------------------------------------------------------
            Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
            Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
            Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)**
            Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
            Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
            Fk5. Phillip Bouhler, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alte Garde)
            ***************************************
            ....... OLDFLAGSWANTED .......
            <!-- / message -->
            #12 LOH example
            sigpic
            .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

            Comment

              #36
              Fk6 one off example ???

              Below is a Fk6 example, previouly posted on the WAF back in Jan 08.
              Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
              -----------------------( 4-10-10 update, count=22 )------------------------
              1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
              2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed
              3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
              4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW ob (Gosch)
              5. Houe Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW observed
              6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
              7. Lorenz Summa Sonne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (mostly Gosch flags)
              8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
              9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
              10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
              11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
              12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
              .....might be #10 or #11?
              13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
              14. Wurttembegische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW
              15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
              16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
              17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
              18. Buffeldorfer Fahnenfabrik , [location] ??? (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
              19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF)
              20. Fahnen-Kraisel, (WAF T=330981), *OFW observed (RKF)
              21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
              22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
              --------------------------------------------------------------------------
              Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
              Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
              ..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
              Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
              ..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
              --------------------------------------------------------------------------
              Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
              Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
              Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)**
              Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
              Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
              Fk5. Phillip Bouhler, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alte Garde)
              Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
              ***************************************
              ....... OLDFLAGSWANTED .......
              Attached Files
              Last edited by oldflagswanted; 04-10-2010, 06:07 AM.
              sigpic
              .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

              Comment

                #37
                8b, on early first pattern RKF

                A early sewn tag variation of #8, listed as 8b, from WAF in Jan 2010.
                Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
                -----------------------( 4-10-10 update, rev=01 )------------------------
                1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
                2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed
                3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
                4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW ob (Gosch)
                5. Houe Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW observed
                6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
                7. Lorenz Summa Sonne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (mostly Gosch flags)
                8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
                8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
                9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
                10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
                11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
                12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
                .....might be #10 or #11?
                13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
                14. Wurttembegische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW
                15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
                16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
                17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
                18. Buffeldorfer Fahnenfabrik , [location] ??? (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
                19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF)
                20. Fahnen-Kraisel, (WAF T=330981), *OFW observed (RKF)
                21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
                22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
                --------------------------------------------------------------------------
                Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
                Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
                ..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
                Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
                ..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
                --------------------------------------------------------------------------
                Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
                Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
                Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)**
                Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
                Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
                Fk5. Phillip Bouhler, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alte Garde)
                Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
                ***************************************
                ....... OLDFLAGSWANTED .......
                Attached Files
                sigpic
                .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

                Comment

                  #38
                  #23, example from my collection

                  #23, Brest U-Boat Pen US Colonel captured 1944, sold to me Vallejo GS 1970 for $20.

                  Brest France during WW2 had U-Boat Pens, Mare Island CA made subs & USN flags.

                  Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
                  -----------------------( 4-10-10 update, rev=02 )------------------------
                  1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
                  2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed
                  3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
                  4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW ob (Gosch)
                  5. Houe Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW observed
                  6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
                  7. Lorenz Summa Sonne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (mostly Gosch flags)
                  8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
                  8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
                  9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
                  10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
                  11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
                  12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
                  .....might be #10 or #11?
                  13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
                  14. Wurttembegische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW
                  15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
                  16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
                  17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
                  18. Buffeldorfer Fahnenfabrik , [location] ??? (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
                  19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF)
                  20. Fahnen-Kraisel, (WAF T=330981), *OFW observed (RKF)
                  21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
                  22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
                  23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-Boat RKF)
                  --------------------------------------------------------------------------
                  Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
                  Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
                  ..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
                  Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
                  ..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
                  --------------------------------------------------------------------------
                  Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
                  Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
                  Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)**
                  Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
                  Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
                  Fk5. Phillip Bouhler, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alte Garde)
                  Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
                  ************************************************** *
                  .............. OLDFLAGSWANTED ..............
                  ....................
                  Last edited by oldflagswanted; 04-10-2010, 01:18 PM.
                  sigpic
                  .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

                  Comment

                    #39
                    Ben,

                    Any idea of what firms were producing the 4 X 4's and swallow tails?

                    Comment

                      #40
                      about Army unit flags ???

                      Originally posted by Rich Moran View Post
                      ...what firms were producing the 4 X 4's and swallow tails?
                      Rich:
                      Interesting question, but not much available on same as Army
                      unit flags were not maker marked, at least those I've seen.
                      Prior to the model-1890 Imperial unit flags, there was a family
                      of court painters who did the German flags. In 1882 the firm
                      of Fahnen Fleck in Hamburg was founded that featured hand
                      embroidery products, which IMO was the primary manufacturer
                      of the ~500 circa WW2 German Army unit flags. The sole source
                      of the Army unit flag eagle teardrop pole tops was the Berlin
                      firm of Kraas Bildgiesserie (foundry) established in 1883. Modern
                      German unit flag tops were made by list #3, Bonner Fahnen, Bonn.
                      ............... OLDFLAGSWANTED ...............
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                        #41
                        #1 photo example from WAF

                        #1, from Jun 2006 WAF posting of multiple RKF examples.

                        Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
                        -----------------------( 4-10-10 update, rev=03 )------------------------
                        1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
                        2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed
                        3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
                        4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW ob (Gosch)
                        5. Houe Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW observed
                        6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
                        7. Lorenz Summa Sonne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (mostly Gosch flags)
                        8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
                        8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
                        9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
                        10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
                        11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
                        12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
                        .....might be #10 or #11?
                        13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
                        14. Wurttembegische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW
                        15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
                        16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
                        17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
                        18. Buffeldorfer Fahnenfabrik , [location] ??? (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
                        19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF)
                        20. Fahnen-Kraisel, (WAF T=330981), *OFW observed (RKF)
                        21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
                        22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
                        23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-Boat RKF)
                        --------------------------------------------------------------------------
                        Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
                        Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
                        ..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
                        Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
                        ..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
                        Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
                        Ot4. Kraas Bildgiesserie, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
                        --------------------------------------------------------------------------
                        Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
                        Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
                        Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)**
                        Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
                        Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
                        Fk5. Phillip Bouhler, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alte Garde)
                        Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
                        ************************************************** *
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                        Comment

                          #42
                          Fk7, leather triangle supports

                          Fk7, from Dec 2006 WAF posting.

                          Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
                          -----------------------( 4-10-10 update, rev=04 )------------------------
                          1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
                          2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed
                          3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
                          4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW ob (Gosch)
                          5. Houe Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW observed
                          6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
                          7. Lorenz Summa Sonne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (mostly Gosch flags)
                          8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
                          8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
                          9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
                          10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
                          11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
                          12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
                          .....might be #10 or #11?
                          13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
                          14. Wurttembegische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW
                          15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
                          16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
                          17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
                          18. Buffeldorfer Fahnenfabrik , [location] ??? (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
                          19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF)
                          20. Fahnen-Kraisel, (WAF T=330981), *OFW observed (RKF)
                          21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
                          22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
                          23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-Boat RKF)
                          --------------------------------------------------------------------------
                          Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
                          Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
                          ..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
                          Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
                          ..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
                          Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
                          Ot4. Kraas Bildgiesserie, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
                          --------------------------------------------------------------------------
                          Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
                          Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
                          Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)**
                          Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
                          Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
                          Fk5. Phillip Bouhler, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alte Garde)
                          Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
                          Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
                          ************************************************** *
                          .............. OLDFLAGSWANTED ..............
                          Fk7 full view, modern Japan made...
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                            #43
                            common to rare ???

                            Here are IMO the ranking of makers from common to rare, based on
                            those I've seen over my ~40 years of collecting "real" old flags.
                            Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
                            -----------------------( maker rarity ranking )------------------------
                            A. Often seen: 12, 16, 4, 2, 14, 17, 13, 8, 7, 6
                            B. Sometimes seen: 1, 21, 19, 5, 3, 11, 15,
                            C. Seldom seen: 9, 22, 20, 10,
                            D. Ultra-rare: 23, 18
                            --------------------------------------------------------------------------
                            1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
                            2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed
                            3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
                            4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW ob (Gosch)
                            5. Houe Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW observed
                            6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
                            7. Lorenz Summa Sonne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (mostly Gosch flags)
                            8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
                            8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
                            9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
                            10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
                            11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
                            12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
                            .....might be #10 or #11?
                            13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
                            14. Wurttembegische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW
                            15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
                            16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
                            17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
                            18. Buffeldorfer Fahnenfabrik , [location] ??? (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
                            19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF)
                            20. Fahnen-Kraisel, (WAF T=330981), *OFW observed (RKF)
                            21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
                            22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
                            23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-Boat RKF)
                            --------------------------------------------------------------------------
                            *******************************************
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                            Comment

                              #44
                              #24, rdf

                              #24, from previous WAF posting Jun 2005, RDF.

                              Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
                              -----------------------( 4-12-10 update, count=24 )-----------------------
                              1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
                              2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed
                              3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
                              4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW ob (Gosch)
                              5. Houe Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW observed
                              6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
                              7. Lorenz Summa Sonne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (mostly Gosch flags)
                              8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
                              8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
                              9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
                              10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
                              11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
                              12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
                              .....might be #10 or #11?
                              13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
                              14. Wurttembegische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW
                              15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
                              16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
                              17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
                              18. Buffeldorfer Fahnenfabrik , [location] ??? (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
                              19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF)
                              20. Fahnen-Kraisel, (WAF T=330981), *OFW observed (RKF)
                              21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
                              22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
                              23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-Boat RKF)
                              24. KRESS St Tonis [in block], t=106540, *Merdock (RDF)
                              -----------------------( maker rarity ranking )------------------------
                              A. Often seen: 12, 16, 4, 2, 14, 17, 13, 8, 7, 6
                              B. Sometimes seen: 1, 21, 19, 5, 3, 11, 15,
                              C. Seldom seen: 9, 22, 20, 10, 24
                              D. Ultra-rare: 23, 18
                              --------------------------------------------------------------------------
                              Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
                              Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
                              ..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
                              Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
                              ..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
                              Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
                              Ot4. Kraas Bildgiesserie, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
                              --------------------------------------------------------------------------
                              Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
                              Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
                              Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)**
                              Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
                              Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
                              Fk5. Phillip Bouhler, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alte Garde)
                              Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
                              Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
                              *******************************************
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                                #45
                                #24 correction ???

                                #24, from another RDF example, SI or St ???

                                Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
                                -----------------------( 4-13-10 update, count=24 )-----------------------
                                1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
                                2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed
                                3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
                                4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW ob (Gosch)
                                5. Houe Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW observed
                                6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
                                7. Lorenz Summa Sonne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (mostly Gosch flags)
                                8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
                                8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
                                9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
                                10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
                                11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
                                12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
                                .....might be #10 or #11?
                                13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
                                14. Wurttembegische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW
                                15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
                                16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
                                17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
                                18. Buffeldorfer Fahnenfabrik , [location] ??? (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
                                19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF)
                                20. Fahnen-Kraisel, (WAF T=330981), *OFW observed (RKF)
                                21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
                                22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
                                23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-Boat RKF)
                                24. KRESS SI Tonis [in block], correction?, *Merdock & *BKW(RDF)
                                -----------------------( maker rarity ranking )------------------------
                                A. Often seen: 12, 16, 4, 2, 14, 17, 13, 8, 7, 6
                                B. Sometimes seen: 1, 21, 19, 5, 3, 11, 15,
                                C. Seldom seen: 9, 22, 20, 10, 24
                                D. Ultra-rare: 23, 18
                                --------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
                                Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
                                ..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
                                Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
                                ..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
                                Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
                                Ot4. Kraas Bildgiesserie, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
                                --------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
                                Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
                                Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)**
                                Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
                                Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
                                Fk5. Phillip Bouhler, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alte Garde)
                                Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
                                Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
                                *******************************************
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