who made the flags ???

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SS-SBF list update.

Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
-----------------( 11-01-10 update, real count=38 )--------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-Boat RKF)
24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
.....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag)
38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
.....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
-----------------------( maker rarity ranking )------------------------
A. Often seen: 2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3 & 3b, 5, 11, 15, 19, 21.
C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag), 38(tag).
D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b, 31.
E. The rarest: 34, 35.
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Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk(on pennants)
Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
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Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
Fk15. NMN, 60x90 " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
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Real SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 21 SS battalion flags
S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
S4. I/17, 1st pattern, *EA on WAF
S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
S7. III/55, *walker flag book
S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
S10. III/82, no photo yet, WAF-Silesien sold 1986 $2600
S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
S17. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
S18. II/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *DS on WAF
S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed
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........ OLDFLAGSWANTED ........

[oldflagswanted]

#39

#39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, tag.
Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
-----------------( 11-04-10 update, real count=39 )--------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-Boat RKF)
24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
.....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag)
38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
.....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
-----------------------( maker rarity ranking )------------------------
A. Often seen: 2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3 & 3b, 5, 11, 15, 19, 21.
C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag), 38(tag).
D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b, 31,39(tag).
E. The rarest: 34, 35.
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Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk(on pennants)
Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
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Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
Fk15. NMN, 60x90 " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
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Real SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 21 SS battalion flags
S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
S4. I/17, 1st pattern, *EA on WAF
S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
S7. III/55, *walker flag book
S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
S10. III/82, no photo yet, WAF-Silesien sold 1986 $2600
S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
S17. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
S18. II/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *DS on WAF
S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed
***********************************
........ OLDFLAGSWANTED ........
#39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23,
..... (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)

[oldflagswanted]

real SSB update

Real SSB II/16, a first pattern (fringe & static swaz), but with
replaced snap hook where top ring should go. Likely property
marked by post WW2 Czech movie studio, & patch on one side.
Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
-----------------( 11-20-10 update, real count=39 )--------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-Boat RKF)
24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
.....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag)
38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
.....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
-----------------------( maker rarity ranking )------------------------
A. Often seen: 2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3 & 3b, 5, 11, 15, 19, 21.
C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag), 38(tag).
D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b, 31,39(tag).
E. The rarest: 34, 35.
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Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk(on pennants)
Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
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Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
Fk15. NMN, 60x90 " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
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Real SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 22 SS battalion flags
S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
S4. I/17, 1st pattern, *EA on WAF
S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
S7. III/55, *walker flag book
S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
S17. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
S18. II/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *DS on WAF
S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed
S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed
*****************************************
........ OLDFLAGSWANTED ........
Real SSB II/16, a first pattern (fringe & static swaz), but with
replaced snap hook where top ring should go. Likely property
marked by post WW2 Czech movie studio, & patch on one side.
Photo from WAF thread t=414513 post #83.

[J. M. C.]

I should have added this one already. Mare Island 1st Pattern RKF all sewn.....

[oldflagswanted]

Pearl Harbor Day update, WW2 USN maker

Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
-----------------( 12-07-10 update, real count=40 )--------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-Boat RKF)
24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
.....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag)
38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
.....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
40. Mare Island Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
-----------------------( maker rarity ranking )------------------------
A. Often seen: 2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3 & 3b, 5, 11, 15, 19, 21.
C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag), 38(tag).
D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b, 31,39(tag).
E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40.
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Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk(on pennants)
Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
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Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
Fk15. NMN, 60x90 " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
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Real SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 22 SS battalion flags
S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
S4. I/17, 1st pattern, *EA on WAF
S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
S7. III/55, *walker flag book
S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
S17. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
S18. II/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *DS on WAF
S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed
S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed
*****************************************
........ OLDFLAGSWANTED ........

[germanww2photos]

fahnenrichter koln RKF flag, real or fantasy???

this is large flag, maybe 5 feet x 7 feet. the colors are much darker than my photos show. nice looking maker tag sewn in, but looks hastily sewn in. what is making me think it's fake are the reinforced cloth grommet holes on both ends where the rope "used to be". Other than that it looks good. Did the Germans make these flags with reinforced cloth grommet holes? I've never seen one that was real.


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<img src="http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af171/germanphotoweb/rkfb.jpg">
<img src="http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af171/germanphotoweb/rkfc.jpg">

[oldflagswanted]

replaced header ???

this is large flag, maybe 5 feet x 7 feet. the colors are much darker
than my photos show. nice looking maker tag sewn in, but looks hastily
sewn in. what is making me think it's fake are the reinforced cloth grommet
holes on both ends where the rope "used to be". Other than that it looks good.
Did the Germans make these flags with reinforced cloth grommet holes? I've
never seen one that was real.

Posted RKF IMO has a replaced header and an added on "real"
eagle-M and "FR" makers label. Metal grommets look removed.
OFW

[germanww2photos]

Posted RKF IMO has a replaced header and an added on "real"
eagle-M and "FR" makers label. Metal grommets look removed.
OFW

so it would appear that someone has tried really hard to make something out of nothing? Is this one to stay away from? thanks

[oldflagswanted]

why, when, who ???

...someone has tried really hard to make something
out of nothing? Is this one to stay away from? thanks

A combination of "real" parts with more recent
material repairs. Lots of unaltered RKF's are
available, so why bother with anything else.
OFW

[germanww2photos]

A combination of "real" parts with more recent
material repairs. Lots of unaltered RKF's are
available, so why bother with anything else.
OFW

Thanks so much for your expertise. The flag became someone else's unknown nightmare at the auction today.

[germanww2photos]

A combination of "real" parts with more recent
material repairs. Lots of unaltered RKF's are
available, so why bother with anything else.
OFW

Thanks so much for your expertise. The flag became someone else's unknown nightmare at the auction today.

[Robert H]

And there is Fahnen Funk (made the largest flag at this time), maybe I missed it above.

[oldflagswanted]

photo ???

And there is Fahnen Funk
(made the largest flag at this time),
maybe I missed it above.

Photo ???
OFW

[germanww2photos]

Fahnen Hoffman RKF markings, does it look real?

Here are 2 shots of a Fahnen Hoffman Berlin marked RKF.
My question is do these markings look original?
Is the stitching correct? Anything that stands out as questionable?
What other things are there to look for in authenticating the flag?

thank you in advance

[oldflagswanted]

another &quot;wmtf&quot; maker #2 example ???

Here are 2 shots of a Fahnen Hoffman Berlin marked RKF.
My question is do these markings look original?
Is the stitching correct? Anything that stands out as questionable?
What other things are there to look for in authenticating the flag?
thank you in advance

Hello gww2p:
IMO, a WW2 made RKF with "original" markings.
RKF material correct , color shade and sewing is OK,
with KM spec rope and corner supports, thus the eagle-M.
OFW