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    #106
    SS-SBF list update.

    Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
    -----------------( 11-01-10 update, real count=38 )--------------------
    1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
    2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
    2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
    3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
    3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
    4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
    5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
    6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
    7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
    8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
    8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
    9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
    10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
    11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
    12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
    .....might be #10 or #11?
    13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
    14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
    15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
    16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
    17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
    18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
    19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
    20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
    21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
    22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
    23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-Boat RKF)
    24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
    25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
    26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
    27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
    27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
    27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
    28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
    29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
    29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
    30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
    30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
    31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
    32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
    33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
    34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
    35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
    36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
    37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
    .....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag)
    38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
    .....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
    -----------------------( maker rarity ranking )------------------------
    A. Often seen: 2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
    B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3 & 3b, 5, 11, 15, 19, 21.
    C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag), 38(tag).
    D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b, 31.
    E. The rarest: 34, 35.
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
    Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
    ..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
    Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
    ..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
    Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
    Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
    Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk(on pennants)
    Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
    Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
    Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
    Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
    Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
    Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
    Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
    Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
    Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
    Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
    Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
    Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
    Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
    Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
    Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
    ..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
    Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
    Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
    Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
    Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
    Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
    Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
    Fk15. NMN, 60x90 " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
    Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
    Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
    Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
    Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
    Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
    Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
    ....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    Real SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 21 SS battalion flags
    S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
    S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
    S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
    S4. I/17, 1st pattern, *EA on WAF
    S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
    S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
    S7. III/55, *walker flag book
    S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
    S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
    S10. III/82, no photo yet, WAF-Silesien sold 1986 $2600
    S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
    S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
    S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
    S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
    S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
    S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
    S17. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
    S18. II/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *DS on WAF
    S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
    S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
    S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed
    ***********************************
    ........ OLDFLAGSWANTED     ........
    Last edited by oldflagswanted; 11-01-2010, 02:39 PM.
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    Comment

      #107
      #39

      #39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, tag.
      Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
      -----------------( 11-04-10 update, real count=39 )--------------------
      1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
      2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
      2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
      3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
      3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
      4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
      5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
      6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
      7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
      8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
      8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
      9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
      10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
      11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
      12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
      .....might be #10 or #11?
      13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
      14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
      15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
      16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
      17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
      18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
      19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
      20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
      21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
      22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
      23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-Boat RKF)
      24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
      25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
      26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
      27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
      27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
      27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
      28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
      29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
      29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
      30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
      30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
      31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
      32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
      33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
      34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
      35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
      36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
      37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
      .....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag)
      38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
      .....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
      39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
      ..... t=471827(      long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
      -----------------------( maker rarity ranking )------------------------
      A. Often seen: 2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
      B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3 & 3b, 5, 11, 15, 19, 21.
      C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag), 38(tag).
      D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b, 31,39(tag).
      E. The rarest: 34, 35.
      --------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
      Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
      ..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
      Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
      ..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
      Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
      Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
      Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk(on pennants)
      Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
      Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
      Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
      Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
      --------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
      Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
      Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
      Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
      Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
      Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
      Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
      Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
      Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
      Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
      Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
      Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
      ..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
      Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
      Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
      Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
      Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
      Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
      Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
      Fk15. NMN, 60x90 " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
      Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
      Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
      Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
      Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
      Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
      Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
      ....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
      ----------------------------------------------------------------------
      Real SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 21 SS battalion flags
      S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
      S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
      S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
      S4. I/17, 1st pattern, *EA on WAF
      S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
      S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
      S7. III/55, *walker flag book
      S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
      S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
      S10. III/82, no photo yet, WAF-Silesien sold 1986 $2600
      S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
      S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
      S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
      S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
      S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
      S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
      S17. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
      S18. II/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *DS on WAF
      S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
      S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
      S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed
      ***********************************
      ........ OLDFLAGSWANTED       ........
      #39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23,
      ..... (      long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
      Attached Files
      Last edited by oldflagswanted; 11-04-2010, 07:43 PM.
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      Comment

        #108
        real SSB update

        Real SSB II/16, a first pattern (fringe & static swaz), but with
        replaced snap hook where top ring should go. Likely property
        marked by post WW2 Czech movie studio, & patch on one side.
        Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
        -----------------( 11-20-10 update, real count=39 )--------------------
        1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
        2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
        2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
        3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
        3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
        4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
        5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
        6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
        7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
        8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
        8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
        9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
        10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
        11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
        12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
        .....might be #10 or #11?
        13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
        14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
        15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
        16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
        17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
        18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
        19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
        20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
        21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
        22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
        23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-Boat RKF)
        24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
        25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
        26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
        27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
        27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
        27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
        28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
        29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
        29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
        30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
        30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
        31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
        32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
        33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
        34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
        35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
        36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
        37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
        .....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag)
        38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
        .....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
        39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
        ..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
        -----------------------( maker rarity ranking )------------------------
        A. Often seen: 2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
        B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3 & 3b, 5, 11, 15, 19, 21.
        C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag), 38(tag).
        D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b, 31,39(tag).
        E. The rarest: 34, 35.
        --------------------------------------------------------------------------
        Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
        Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
        ..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
        Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
        ..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
        Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
        Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
        Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk(on pennants)
        Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
        Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
        Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
        Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
        --------------------------------------------------------------------------
        Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
        Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
        Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
        Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
        Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
        Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
        Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
        Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
        Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
        Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
        Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
        Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
        ..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
        Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
        Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
        Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
        Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
        Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
        Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
        Fk15. NMN, 60x90 " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
        Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
        Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
        Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
        Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
        Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
        Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
        ....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
        ----------------------------------------------------------------------
        Real SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 22 SS battalion flags
        S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
        S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
        S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
        S4. I/17, 1st pattern, *EA on WAF
        S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
        S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
        S7. III/55, *walker flag book
        S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
        S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
        S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
        S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
        S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
        S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
        S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
        S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
        S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
        S17. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
        S18. II/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *DS on WAF
        S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
        S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
        S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed
        S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed
        *****************************************
        ........ OLDFLAGSWANTED ........
        Real SSB II/16, a first pattern (fringe & static swaz), but with
        replaced snap hook where top ring should go. Likely property
        marked by post WW2 Czech movie studio, & patch on one side.
        Photo from WAF thread t=414513 post #83.
        Last edited by oldflagswanted; 11-20-2010, 11:21 AM.
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          #109
          I should have added this one already. Mare Island 1st Pattern RKF all sewn.....







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            #110
            Pearl Harbor Day update, WW2 USN maker

            Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
            -----------------( 12-07-10 update, real count=40 )--------------------
            1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
            2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
            2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
            3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
            3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
            4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
            5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
            6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
            7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
            8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
            8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
            9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
            10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
            11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
            12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
            .....might be #10 or #11?
            13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
            14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
            15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
            16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
            17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
            18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
            19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
            20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
            21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
            22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
            23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-Boat RKF)
            24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
            25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
            26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
            27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
            27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
            27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
            28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
            29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
            29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
            30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
            30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
            31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
            32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
            33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
            34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
            35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
            36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
            37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
            .....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag)
            38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
            .....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
            39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
            ..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
            40. Mare Island             Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
            -----------------------( maker rarity ranking )------------------------
            A. Often seen: 2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
            B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3 & 3b, 5, 11, 15, 19, 21.
            C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag), 38(tag).
            D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b, 31,39(tag).
            E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40.
            --------------------------------------------------------------------------
            Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
            Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
            ..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
            Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
            ..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
            Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
            Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
            Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk(on pennants)
            Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
            Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
            Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
            Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
            --------------------------------------------------------------------------
            Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
            Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
            Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
            Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
            Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
            Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
            Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
            Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
            Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
            Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
            Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
            Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
            ..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
            Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
            Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
            Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
            Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
            Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
            Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
            Fk15. NMN, 60x90 " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
            Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
            Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
            Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
            Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
            Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
            Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
            ....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
            ----------------------------------------------------------------------
            Real SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 22 SS battalion flags
            S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
            S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
            S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
            S4. I/17, 1st pattern, *EA on WAF
            S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
            S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
            S7. III/55, *walker flag book
            S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
            S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
            S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
            S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
            S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
            S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
            S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
            S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
            S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
            S17. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
            S18. II/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *DS on WAF
            S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
            S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
            S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed
            S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed
            *****************************************
            ........ OLDFLAGSWANTED ........
            Last edited by oldflagswanted; 12-07-2010, 03:57 AM.
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              #111
              fahnenrichter koln RKF flag, real or fantasy???

              this is large flag, maybe 5 feet x 7 feet. the colors are much darker than my photos show. nice looking maker tag sewn in, but looks hastily sewn in. what is making me think it's fake are the reinforced cloth grommet holes on both ends where the rope "used to be". Other than that it looks good. Did the Germans make these flags with reinforced cloth grommet holes? I've never seen one that was real.


              <img src="http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af171/germanphotoweb/rkfa.jpg">
              <img src="http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af171/germanphotoweb/rkfb.jpg">
              <img src="http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af171/germanphotoweb/rkfc.jpg">

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                #112
                replaced header ???

                Originally posted by germanww2photos View Post
                this is large flag, maybe 5 feet x 7 feet. the colors are much darker
                than my photos show. nice looking maker tag sewn in, but looks hastily
                sewn in. what is making me think it's fake are the reinforced cloth grommet
                holes on both ends where the rope "used to be". Other than that it looks good.
                Did the Germans make these flags with reinforced cloth grommet holes? I've
                never seen one that was real.
                Posted RKF IMO has a replaced header and an added on "real"
                eagle-M and "FR" makers label. Metal grommets look removed.
                OFW
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                  #113
                  Originally posted by oldflagswanted View Post
                  Posted RKF IMO has a replaced header and an added on "real"
                  eagle-M and "FR" makers label. Metal grommets look removed.
                  OFW
                  so it would appear that someone has tried really hard to make something out of nothing? Is this one to stay away from? thanks

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                    #114
                    why, when, who ???

                    Originally posted by germanww2photos View Post
                    ...someone has tried really hard to make something
                    out of nothing? Is this one to stay away from? thanks
                    A combination of "real" parts with more recent
                    material repairs. Lots of unaltered RKF's are
                    available, so why bother with anything else.
                    OFW
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                      #115
                      Originally posted by oldflagswanted View Post
                      A combination of "real" parts with more recent
                      material repairs. Lots of unaltered RKF's are
                      available, so why bother with anything else.
                      OFW

                      Thanks so much for your expertise. The flag became someone else's unknown nightmare at the auction today.

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                        #116
                        Originally posted by oldflagswanted View Post
                        A combination of "real" parts with more recent
                        material repairs. Lots of unaltered RKF's are
                        available, so why bother with anything else.
                        OFW

                        Thanks so much for your expertise. The flag became someone else's unknown nightmare at the auction today.

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                          #117
                          And there is Fahnen Funk (made the largest flag at this time), maybe I missed it above.

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                            #118
                            photo ???

                            Originally posted by Robert H View Post
                            And there is Fahnen Funk
                            (made the largest flag at this time),
                            maybe I missed it above.
                            Photo ???
                            OFW
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                              #119
                              Fahnen Hoffman RKF markings, does it look real?

                              Here are 2 shots of a Fahnen Hoffman Berlin marked RKF.
                              My question is do these markings look original?
                              Is the stitching correct? Anything that stands out as questionable?
                              What other things are there to look for in authenticating the flag?

                              thank you in advance




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                                #120
                                another &quot;wmtf&quot; maker #2 example ???

                                Originally posted by germanww2photos View Post
                                Here are 2 shots of a Fahnen Hoffman Berlin marked RKF.
                                My question is do these markings look original?
                                Is the stitching correct? Anything that stands out as questionable?
                                What other things are there to look for in authenticating the flag?
                                thank you in advance
                                Hello gww2p:
                                IMO, a WW2 made RKF with "original" markings.
                                RKF material correct , color shade and sewing is OK,
                                with KM spec rope and corner supports, thus the eagle-M.
                                OFW
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