who made the flags ???

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Welcome ...

Hellou! My first post. Im interesting to buy nsdap flag, or kriegsflagge.
I maybe buy this one, but not sure if it is authentic. I have few photos
of it. Can anyone help me with that, is it fake? The stitching is not in line
with the other side, thats why im little confused. And i am amateur with
flags, so all help is needed. I have only these 4 photos if it.

Best Regards
Niko

EDIT: Dont know why the pics came so big sizes

Hello Niko:
Welcome to the WAF flag forum. The flag you posted appears
IMO to be WW2 authentic, based on color shade, proportions,
construction, etc. Worth around $150 USD based on condition.
........OFW

[Niko]

Hello Niko:
Welcome to the WAF flag forum. The flag you posted appears
IMO to be WW2 authentic, based on color shade, proportions,
construction, etc. Worth around $150 USD based on condition.
........OFW

Thank you very much your reply OFW. This thread is very imprtant to flag buyers. You cannot find so much details of different flags, what you find here. It is very nice and important that thread like this is made, and people are updating it
One thing is also what makes me little confused, the maker marks of Reichskriegsflagge, some of them have the lines surround the name, and some dont. Like the name is in the box. Are both of them authentic? I set 2 images here, where can see the difference.

EDIT: In my first post NSDAP flag measure is about 76x47 inches. Is it normal?
-Niko

[oldflagswanted]

Maker mark & flag size questions ???

... the maker marks of Reichskriegsflagge, some of them
have the lines surround the name, and some dont. Like
the name is in the box. Are both of them authentic? I set
2 images here, where can see the difference.

EDIT: In my first post NSDAP flag measure is about 76x47
inches. Is it normal?
-Niko

Niko:
IMO both markings for "wmtf" maker #4. = Johann
Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, are period
authentic markings. The box lettered example is likely
the earlier version of the two, before flag maker header
markings were simplified for war production standards.

As to your 76x47" (~200x120cm) flag size question.
A mid-1930's German flag makers catalog lists many
swastika flag production sizes, which includes ~sizes.
........OFW

(below) As cited 1930's German swastika flag catalog sizes.

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27d tag addition ...

27d. Küpper & Rudolph, koln, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., PF tag.
..........
(My 1st WAF Avatar)
................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
-------------------( 03-09-20 update, real count=71+ )------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
3d. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, *glaser, but after WW2,
real, but reported as Flottenstander from Officer of Bundesmarine
S-boat P6089, and used in the 1960's.
3e. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, red bevo lettering on
white sewn on label, stamped 1/65 date & NATO #8345-12-120-6330,
*Von Thronstahl (Geschw.stdr.) from WAF t=716477
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F. vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabr: Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
..... G.FL, Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, p=pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
27d. Küpper & Rudolph, koln, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*stingray69(PF)
28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
36b. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *NBolinger (Swastika pennant)
37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
.....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
.....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
40. Mare Island Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
..... A.-G. Königsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
43. Fahnen Werkstätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
..... Markneukirchen, tag, *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
.... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
44b. Walther Goldbach Berlin-Wilmersdorf1, *RW, (DDAC celluloid AFT)
45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.
47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
48b. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg-Hamburg, *TC, (Weimar RKF)
49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF) t=642818
51. Fahnenträger, *XxAmilcaRxX, (RKF 200x335cm) t=666238
52. Fahnen-Walter Auerbach I.V., tag, *flatlander, (HJ) t=675770
53. Berlin Max Küst tag, 11x16, *OFW, t=675831 (NSFK Pennant)
54. Textilindustrie G.Bukiet Litzmannstadt, *OFW, (RKF)
55. Fahnen Fadik D. Koch Coberg, *espenlaub, (1930 vet flag)
56. Hallesche Fahnenfabrik, Halle A.S., *RW, (Swaz pennant)
57. Klinger, with KM stamp, * michiel01 t=564994 (signal pennants)
58. Lanex, with KM "M" stamp, * darrenbate t=745272 (signal pennants)
59. Leo Goedeckemeyer, Freiburg/Br.EggStr.3, *hdmarley (Hunting Flag)
.... sewn on maker label ref. WAF t=765138.
60. S.A.-Mann Herman Tschunden, Ad *GS, t=773758, post #11.,
.... Hakenkreuz-Hausfahnen. (on flag marking unknown).
61. Jos.Fssels, Wascheausstattung, M.Gladbach, tag.*OFW, (3RNF)
62. Fahnen Reinecke Hannover, *james s., t=791146b, (RDF tag).
63. Fahnenfabrik Mehn Braunschweig, *Discostu, t=837674, (tag).
63b. Fahnenfabrik Mehn, Jnhaber: Erich Brothe, Braunschweig,
.... Seit 1890, *Discostu, t=337674, (tag) swastika flag.
64. J.Gross Nachfolgen Stetter, Mannheim, *anton67, t=839188, (tag).
64b. STETTER J. Gross Nachfolger Marktplatz F.2.6, (tag), *Milton,
..... from t=916381, (Swastika banner 14"x24").
65. Gath & Peine Hamburg Gegr 1867 Flaggenfabrik, *ff1, SF (tag).
65p. Flaggenfabrik Gath & Peine Hamburg Gegrundet 1867, RKF (tag).
66p. Henrich Muller Munchen, pending photo comfirmation, HJ.
67. Westdeutsche Fahnen-Fabrik Bonn, *Sasktraveler, HPSignal (tag).
68. Karl Moser Offenbach-M Fahnen- Vereinsartikel, *Wenzel, DRL (tag).
69. Gebr. Forster Fahnenfabrik 1939, *MJD, Balken Cross ID (stamp).
70. "Der Stahlhof" Magdeburg Ges. Gesch. N.S.D.F.B. (Stahlhelm) Flagge
..... *Howard Kelley, 2007 t=248350 (tag on pennant).
71. FIB" Pola, Italian maker, *nordy6, Fuhrer Standard t=760167, (tag).
-----------------------( maker rarity ranking )-----------------------------
A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag),
....38(tag), 44, 49, 52(tag), 3d(after WW2 tag), 54, 57, 58, 62(tag),
....64(tag), 64b(tag), 68 (tag), 69 (stamp), 70 (tag), 71 (tag).
D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b,
....31,39(tag), 47, 48, 48b(tag), 53(tag), 56(tag), 59 (tag), 63&b(tag).
E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50, 51,
....61&65(tag).
------------------------[ Other ID Means ]----------------------------------
Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
....... pennants)
Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)
Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
....... 1932 or 1933 in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
......... like #91-OFW* pole top collection.
Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
....... Munchen, (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
....... *inimicus, (DAF CPF), from WAF t=587212
Ot18. KM Black Signal Flag, U-Boat Surrender type from t=800716.
Ot19. WW2 period snap hooks, (cp-flags, pennants, pb's t=943508)
--------------------------[ Fakes ] ---------------------------------------
Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
--------> Note: ALL 60x90 FLAGS ARE FAKES, see t=694529 <--------
Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
Fk3b. Fake RKF, 90x150, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
Fk3c. NMN Fake SS, 60x90, *TonyS, t=675999 (SS bolts on black)
Fk3d. Fake RKF, 90x145, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
Fk3e. Fake RKF, ~61x88cm, 1st pattern, bad marking, *Normandy, t=831734
Fk3f. R.Badermann Wien 4/42, 84cm long, *upbeck, (RKF) t=962961.
Fk3g. Fake SS-BW Posen, 40x60, *Iserlohn, post #385, (SS & skull)
Fk3h. Fake RKF (IC Center), marked 1943, 85x150, Munchen. See
..... WAF t=992482 for more details.
Fk3i-&-j. Fake flags marked 1940/41, 85x150, Hamburg and Kiel.
..... See WAF t=1010171 for more details.
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk4b. " with NS Soldatenbund fake marking, *OFW " from t=509449
..... and additional examples shown in WAF t=745222 and t=807943.
Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF P1/P2, 1970's Japan made)
Fk7b. NSKK M-76, " Modern Japan made, *jmcm, from t=580774.
Fk7c. NSKK Berlin, Modern Japan made, *Buhrkall, from t=669490
Fk7d. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
Fk7e. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
Fk7f. Adolf Hitler Standard, Modern Japan made, *Craig H t=833290
Fk7g. Naval Reserve Officer Commanding, Modern Japan made, *OFW
Fk7h. RDF (eagle in canton) , Modern Japan made, *OFW
Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
Fk15d. 60x90, M9/26, DIENSTFLAGGE, *kb, SS-Lager (SS on black)
Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
..... and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
Fk20b. Fahnen-Feeken Genthin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (Swaz.) t=929357
Fk20c. Fahnen-Feeken Genthin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (Swaz.) t=961599
Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)
Fk25. RZM St 21/36 SS, & 12.SS-Panzer Division Hitler Jugend,
..... fake tags, *LVAZ, (HJ) from t=775238.
Fk26, small table top flags (ttf's) & pennants, printed
.... or embroidered. SW Asia made, some with metal lug end
.... cross rods as seen in t=785055. (SS,KM,Heer, etc.)
Fk27. Different 3rd Reich standards in color on heavy cardstock,
.... etc. 11 inches x 9.5 inches. *OFW, see t=815666 & more.
...."... four differant versions sold by "Insignia Collector's Club" in the
....late 50s/early 60s... ".
Fk28. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 27.0" x 11.5",*OFW (WW1 Lancer pennant),
....see t=815734.
Fk29. NMM, IKF, 60x90cm,*OFW (WW1 War Flag), ... see t=841383.
Fk30. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, "Handelsflaqge mit
.... dem Eiseren Kreuz", Lot 550: THIRD REICH MERCHANT MARINE
.... FLAG, Est: $160 - $250 USD. 1943 fake date & bogus 48x86cm.
******************************************
.......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ...........
(below) 27d. Küpper & Rudolph, koln, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,
*stingray69(PF)

[oldflagswanted]

Previously on the WAF ...

... from t=1040892, "some flag part examples."
........OFW

[stukas]

following

Hi

What do you think of these manufacturers? And what are they?
Thank you all.


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[stukas]

Following

The 4 and 6 are good or not in your opinion?
What are they for?
Thank you

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Maker ID questions &amp; answers ???

The 4 and 6 are good or not in your opinion?
What are they for?
Thank you
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Hello stukas:
Your post #412-3 is listed here as "Other" Ot17
= Deutsche Arbeit, a Bevo woven generic made
in Germany tag, on a DAF CPF, shown in t=587212.
-----------------------------------------------------------
I have not seen before your post #412-4 or #412-6,
the shield & cross, and the large letter Z.R.N. stamps.
------------------------------------------------------------
.........OFW

(below) Your post #412-5 "Fahnen Linbing Reichenberg
Sudetengau" is now included in this listing as maker #72.,
*stukas (woven tag).

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List addition ...

..........
(My 1st WAF Avatar)
................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
-------------------( 05-23-20 update, real count=72+ )------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
3d. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, *glaser, but after WW2,
real, but reported as Flottenstander from Officer of Bundesmarine
S-boat P6089, and used in the 1960's.
3e. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, red bevo lettering on
white sewn on label, stamped 1/65 date & NATO #8345-12-120-6330,
*Von Thronstahl (Geschw.stdr.) from WAF t=716477
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F. vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabr: Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
..... G.FL, Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, p=pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
27d. Küpper & Rudolph, koln, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*stingray69(PF)
28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
36b. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *NBolinger (Swastika pennant)
37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
.....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
.....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
40. Mare Island Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
..... A.-G. Königsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
43. Fahnen Werkstätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
..... Markneukirchen, tag, *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
.... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
44b. Walther Goldbach Berlin-Wilmersdorf1, *RW, (DDAC celluloid AFT)
45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.
47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
48b. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg-Hamburg, *TC, (Weimar RKF)
49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF) t=642818
51. Fahnenträger, *XxAmilcaRxX, (RKF 200x335cm) t=666238
52. Fahnen-Walter Auerbach I.V., tag, *flatlander, (HJ) t=675770
53. Berlin Max Küst tag, 11x16, *OFW, t=675831 (NSFK Pennant)
54. Textilindustrie G.Bukiet Litzmannstadt, *OFW, (RKF)
55. Fahnen Fadik D. Koch Coberg, *espenlaub, (1930 vet flag)
56. Hallesche Fahnenfabrik, Halle A.S., *RW, (Swaz pennant)
57. Klinger, with KM stamp, * michiel01 t=564994 (signal pennants)
58. Lanex, with KM "M" stamp, * darrenbate t=745272 (signal pennants)
59. Leo Goedeckemeyer, Freiburg/Br.EggStr.3, *hdmarley (Hunting Flag)
.... sewn on maker label ref. WAF t=765138.
60. S.A.-Mann Herman Tschunden, Ad *GS, t=773758, post #11.,
.... Hakenkreuz-Hausfahnen. (on flag marking unknown).
61. Jos.Fssels, Wascheausstattung, M.Gladbach, tag.*OFW, (3RNF)
62. Fahnen Reinecke Hannover, *james s., t=791146b, (RDF tag).
63. Fahnenfabrik Mehn Braunschweig, *Discostu, t=837674, (tag).
63b. Fahnenfabrik Mehn, Jnhaber: Erich Brothe, Braunschweig,
.... Seit 1890, *Discostu, t=337674, (tag) swastika flag.
64. J.Gross Nachfolgen Stetter, Mannheim, *anton67, t=839188, (tag).
64b. STETTER J. Gross Nachfolger Marktplatz F.2.6, (tag), *Milton,
..... from t=916381, (Swastika banner 14"x24").
65. Gath & Peine Hamburg Gegr 1867 Flaggenfabrik, *ff1, SF (tag).
65p. Flaggenfabrik Gath & Peine Hamburg Gegrundet 1867, RKF (tag).
66p. Henrich Muller Munchen, pending photo comfirmation, HJ.
67. Westdeutsche Fahnen-Fabrik Bonn, *Sasktraveler, HPSignal (tag).
68. Karl Moser Offenbach-M Fahnen- Vereinsartikel, *Wenzel, DRL (tag).
69. Gebr. Forster Fahnenfabrik 1939, *MJD, Balken Cross ID (stamp).
70. "Der Stahlhof" Magdeburg Ges. Gesch. N.S.D.F.B. (Stahlhelm) Flagge
..... *Howard Kelley, 2007 t=248350 (tag on pennant).
71. FIB" Pola, Italian maker, *nordy6, Fuhrer Standard t=760167, (tag).
72. "Fahnen Linbing Reichenberg Sudetengau", *stukas (tag).
-----------------------( maker rarity ranking )-----------------------------
A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag),
....38(tag), 44, 49, 52(tag), 3d(after WW2 tag), 54, 57, 58, 62(tag),
....64(tag), 64b(tag), 68 (tag), 69 (stamp), 70 (tag), 71 (tag).
D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b,
....31,39(tag), 47, 48, 48b(tag), 53(tag), 56(tag), 59 (tag), 63&b(tag).
E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50, 51,
....61/65/72(tag).
------------------------[ Other ID Means ]----------------------------------
Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
....... pennants)
Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)
Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
....... 1932 or 1933 in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
......... like #91-OFW* pole top collection.
Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
....... Munchen, (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
....... *inimicus, (DAF CPF), from WAF t=587212
Ot18. KM Black Signal Flag, U-Boat Surrender type from t=800716.
Ot19. WW2 period snap hooks, (cp-flags, pennants, pb's t=943508)
--------------------------[ Fakes ] ---------------------------------------
Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
--------> Note: ALL 60x90 FLAGS ARE FAKES, see t=694529 <--------
Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
Fk3b. Fake RKF, 90x150, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
Fk3c. NMN Fake SS, 60x90, *TonyS, t=675999 (SS bolts on black)
Fk3d. Fake RKF, 90x145, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
Fk3e. Fake RKF, ~61x88cm, 1st pattern, bad marking, *Normandy, t=831734
Fk3f. R.Badermann Wien 4/42, 84cm long, *upbeck, (RKF) t=962961.
Fk3g. Fake SS-BW Posen, 40x60, *Iserlohn, post #385, (SS & skull)
Fk3h. Fake RKF (IC Center), marked 1943, 85x150, Munchen. See
..... WAF t=992482 for more details.
Fk3i-&-j. Fake flags marked 1940/41, 85x150, Hamburg and Kiel.
..... See WAF t=1010171 for more details.
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk4b. " with NS Soldatenbund fake marking, *OFW " from t=509449
..... and additional examples shown in WAF t=745222 and t=807943.
Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF P1/P2, 1970's Japan made)
Fk7b. NSKK M-76, " Modern Japan made, *jmcm, from t=580774.
Fk7c. NSKK Berlin, Modern Japan made, *Buhrkall, from t=669490
Fk7d. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
Fk7e. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
Fk7f. Adolf Hitler Standard, Modern Japan made, *Craig H t=833290
Fk7g. Naval Reserve Officer Commanding, Modern Japan made, *OFW
Fk7h. RDF (eagle in canton) , Modern Japan made, *OFW
Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
Fk15d. 60x90, M9/26, DIENSTFLAGGE, *kb, SS-Lager (SS on black)
Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
..... and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
Fk20b. Fahnen-Feeken Genthin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (Swaz.) t=929357
Fk20c. Fahnen-Feeken Genthin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (Swaz.) t=961599
Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)
Fk25. RZM St 21/36 SS, & 12.SS-Panzer Division Hitler Jugend,
..... fake tags, *LVAZ, (HJ) from t=775238.
Fk26, small table top flags (ttf's) & pennants, printed
.... or embroidered. SW Asia made, some with metal lug end
.... cross rods as seen in t=785055. (SS,KM,Heer, etc.)
Fk27. Different 3rd Reich standards in color on heavy cardstock,
.... etc. 11 inches x 9.5 inches. *OFW, see t=815666 & more.
...."... four differant versions sold by "Insignia Collector's Club" in the
....late 50s/early 60s... ".
Fk28. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 27.0" x 11.5",*OFW (WW1 Lancer pennant),
....see t=815734.
Fk29. NMM, IKF, 60x90cm,*OFW (WW1 War Flag), ... see t=841383.
Fk30. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, "Handelsflaqge mit
.... dem Eiseren Kreuz", Lot 550: THIRD REICH MERCHANT MARINE
.... FLAG, Est: $160 - $250 USD. 1943 fake date & bogus 48x86cm.
******************************************

(below) 72. "Fahnen Linbing Reichenberg Sudetengau", *stukas ( tag).

[stukas]

Thanks

[paulj]

It's Liebieg, not Linbing. The Liebieg family of Reichenberg were a textile makers there since the 18th century.

[oldflagswanted]

List error correction...

Post #416 ...
It's Liebieg, not Linbing. The Liebieg family of Reichenberg
were a textile makers there since the 18th century.

..........
(My 1st WAF Avatar)
................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
-------------------( 05-25-20 update, real count=71+ )------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
3d. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, *glaser, but after WW2,
real, but reported as Flottenstander from Officer of Bundesmarine
S-boat P6089, and used in the 1960's.
3e. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, red bevo lettering on
white sewn on label, stamped 1/65 date & NATO #8345-12-120-6330,
*Von Thronstahl (Geschw.stdr.) from WAF t=716477
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F. vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabr: Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
..... G.FL, Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, p=pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
27d. Küpper & Rudolph, koln, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*stingray69(PF)
28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
36b. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *NBolinger (Swastika pennant)
37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
.....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
.....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
40. Mare Island Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
..... A.-G. Königsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
43. Fahnen Werkstätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
..... Markneukirchen, tag, *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
.... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
44b. Walther Goldbach Berlin-Wilmersdorf1, *RW, (DDAC celluloid AFT)
45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.
47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
48b. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg-Hamburg, *TC, (Weimar RKF)
49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF) t=642818
51. Fahnenträger, *XxAmilcaRxX, (RKF 200x335cm) t=666238
52. Fahnen-Walter Auerbach I.V., tag, *flatlander, (HJ) t=675770
53. Berlin Max Küst tag, 11x16, *OFW, t=675831 (NSFK Pennant)
54. Textilindustrie G.Bukiet Litzmannstadt, *OFW, (RKF)
55. Fahnen Fadik D. Koch Coberg, *espenlaub, (1930 vet flag)
56. Hallesche Fahnenfabrik, Halle A.S., *RW, (Swaz pennant)
57. Klinger, with KM stamp, * michiel01 t=564994 (signal pennants)
58. Lanex, with KM "M" stamp, * darrenbate t=745272 (signal pennants)
59. Leo Goedeckemeyer, Freiburg/Br.EggStr.3, *hdmarley (Hunting Flag)
.... sewn on maker label ref. WAF t=765138.
60. S.A.-Mann Herman Tschunden, Ad *GS, t=773758, post #11.,
.... Hakenkreuz-Hausfahnen. (on flag marking unknown).
61. Jos.Fssels, Wascheausstattung, M.Gladbach, tag.*OFW, (3RNF)
62. Fahnen Reinecke Hannover, *james s., t=791146b, (RDF tag).
63. Fahnenfabrik Mehn Braunschweig, *Discostu, t=837674, (tag).
63b. Fahnenfabrik Mehn, Jnhaber: Erich Brothe, Braunschweig,
.... Seit 1890, *Discostu, t=337674, (tag) swastika flag.
64. J.Gross Nachfolgen Stetter, Mannheim, *anton67, t=839188, (tag).
64b. STETTER J. Gross Nachfolger Marktplatz F.2.6, (tag), *Milton,
..... from t=916381, (Swastika banner 14"x24").
65. Gath & Peine Hamburg Gegr 1867 Flaggenfabrik, *ff1, SF (tag).
65p. Flaggenfabrik Gath & Peine Hamburg Gegrundet 1867, RKF (tag).
66p. Henrich Muller Munchen, pending photo comfirmation, HJ.
67. Westdeutsche Fahnen-Fabrik Bonn, *Sasktraveler, HPSignal (tag).
68. Karl Moser Offenbach-M Fahnen- Vereinsartikel, *Wenzel, DRL (tag).
69. Gebr. Forster Fahnenfabrik 1939, *MJD, Balken Cross ID (stamp).
70. "Der Stahlhof" Magdeburg Ges. Gesch. N.S.D.F.B. (Stahlhelm) Flagge
..... *Howard Kelley, 2007 t=248350 (tag on pennant).
71. FIB" Pola, Italian maker, *nordy6, Fuhrer Standard t=760167, (tag).
-----------------------( maker rarity ranking )-----------------------------
A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag),
....38(tag), 44, 49, 52(tag), 3d(after WW2 tag), 54, 57, 58, 62(tag),
....64(tag), 64b(tag), 68 (tag), 69 (stamp), 70 (tag), 71 (tag).
D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b,
....31,39(tag), 47, 48, 48b(tag), 53(tag), 56(tag), 59 (tag), 63&b(tag).
E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50, 51,
....61,65(tag).
------------------------[ Other ID Means ]----------------------------------
Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
....... pennants)
Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)
Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
....... 1932 or 1933 in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
......... like #91-OFW* pole top collection.
Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
....... Munchen, (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
....... *inimicus, (DAF CPF), from WAF t=587212
Ot18. KM Black Signal Flag, U-Boat Surrender type from t=800716.
Ot19. WW2 period snap hooks, (cp-flags, pennants, pb's t=943508)
--------------------------[ Fakes ] ---------------------------------------
Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
--------> Note: ALL 60x90 FLAGS ARE FAKES, see t=694529 <--------
Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
Fk3b. Fake RKF, 90x150, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
Fk3c. NMN Fake SS, 60x90, *TonyS, t=675999 (SS bolts on black)
Fk3d. Fake RKF, 90x145, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
Fk3e. Fake RKF, ~61x88cm, 1st pattern, bad marking, *Normandy, t=831734
Fk3f. R.Badermann Wien 4/42, 84cm long, *upbeck, (RKF) t=962961.
Fk3g. Fake SS-BW Posen, 40x60, *Iserlohn, post #385, (SS & skull)
Fk3h. Fake RKF (IC Center), marked 1943, 85x150, Munchen. See
..... WAF t=992482 for more details.
Fk3i-&-j. Fake flags marked 1940/41, 85x150, Hamburg and Kiel.
..... See WAF t=1010171 for more details.
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk4b. " with NS Soldatenbund fake marking, *OFW " from t=509449
..... and additional examples shown in WAF t=745222 and t=807943.
Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF P1/P2, 1970's Japan made)
Fk7b. NSKK M-76, " Modern Japan made, *jmcm, from t=580774.
Fk7c. NSKK Berlin, Modern Japan made, *Buhrkall, from t=669490
Fk7d. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
Fk7e. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
Fk7f. Adolf Hitler Standard, Modern Japan made, *Craig H t=833290
Fk7g. Naval Reserve Officer Commanding, Modern Japan made, *OFW
Fk7h. RDF (eagle in canton) , Modern Japan made, *OFW
Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
Fk15d. 60x90, M9/26, DIENSTFLAGGE, *kb, SS-Lager (SS on black)
Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
..... and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
Fk20b. Fahnen-Feeken Genthin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (Swaz.) t=929357
Fk20c. Fahnen-Feeken Genthin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (Swaz.) t=961599
Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)
Fk25. RZM St 21/36 SS, & 12.SS-Panzer Division Hitler Jugend,
..... fake tags, *LVAZ, (HJ) from t=775238.
Fk26, small table top flags (ttf's) & pennants, printed
.... or embroidered. SW Asia made, some with metal lug end
.... cross rods as seen in t=785055. (SS,KM,Heer, etc.)
Fk27. Different 3rd Reich standards in color on heavy cardstock,
.... etc. 11 inches x 9.5 inches. *OFW, see t=815666 & more.
...."... four differant versions sold by "Insignia Collector's Club" in the
....late 50s/early 60s... ".
Fk28. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 27.0" x 11.5",*OFW (WW1 Lancer pennant),
....see t=815734.
Fk29. NMM, IKF, 60x90cm,*OFW (WW1 War Flag), ... see t=841383.
Fk30. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, "Handelsflaqge mit
.... dem Eiseren Kreuz", Lot 550: THIRD REICH MERCHANT MARINE
.... FLAG, Est: $160 - $250 USD. 1943 fake date & bogus 48x86cm.
******************************************

(below) 4. "Johann Liebieg Reichenberg Sudetenland", stamp.

[stukas]

Hi

Any idea who that manufacturer is?
I don’t think he’s listed

Thanks

[paulj]

It is interesting to compare the Liebieg markings as a reflection of the region's history. The printed version lists Reichenberg "Sudetenland" as the business location while the woven label shows "Sudentengau".

Sudetengau was officially created in March 1939 (effective in April 1939), six months after the annexation of the Sudetenland in October 1938.

It is also noteworthy that the new label design includes the use of traditional German Sütterlin script, acknowledging the Sudeten Germans had become part of the German Reich.

[oldflagswanted]

List addition ...

Hi
Any idea who that manufacturer is?
I don’t think he’s listed
Thanks

Hello stukas:
I've not seen that flag maker tag before.
Now adding it as #72 on the "wmtf" list.
..........
(My 1st WAF Avatar)
................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
-------------------( 05-25-20 update, real count=72+ )------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
3d. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, *glaser, but after WW2,
real, but reported as Flottenstander from Officer of Bundesmarine
S-boat P6089, and used in the 1960's.
3e. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, red bevo lettering on
white sewn on label, stamped 1/65 date & NATO #8345-12-120-6330,
*Von Thronstahl (Geschw.stdr.) from WAF t=716477
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F. vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabr: Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
..... G.FL, Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, p=pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
27d. Küpper & Rudolph, koln, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*stingray69(PF)
28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
36b. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *NBolinger (Swastika pennant)
37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
.....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
.....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
40. Mare Island Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
..... A.-G. Königsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
43. Fahnen Werkstätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
..... Markneukirchen, tag, *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
.... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
44b. Walther Goldbach Berlin-Wilmersdorf1, *RW, (DDAC celluloid AFT)
45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.
47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
48b. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg-Hamburg, *TC, (Weimar RKF)
49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF) t=642818
51. Fahnenträger, *XxAmilcaRxX, (RKF 200x335cm) t=666238
52. Fahnen-Walter Auerbach I.V., tag, *flatlander, (HJ) t=675770
53. Berlin Max Küst tag, 11x16, *OFW, t=675831 (NSFK Pennant)
54. Textilindustrie G.Bukiet Litzmannstadt, *OFW, (RKF)
55. Fahnen Fadik D. Koch Coberg, *espenlaub, (1930 vet flag)
56. Hallesche Fahnenfabrik, Halle A.S., *RW, (Swaz pennant)
57. Klinger, with KM stamp, * michiel01 t=564994 (signal pennants)
58. Lanex, with KM "M" stamp, * darrenbate t=745272 (signal pennants)
59. Leo Goedeckemeyer, Freiburg/Br.EggStr.3, *hdmarley (Hunting Flag)
.... sewn on maker label ref. WAF t=765138.
60. S.A.-Mann Herman Tschunden, Ad *GS, t=773758, post #11.,
.... Hakenkreuz-Hausfahnen. (on flag marking unknown).
61. Jos.Fssels, Wascheausstattung, M.Gladbach, tag.*OFW, (3RNF)
62. Fahnen Reinecke Hannover, *james s., t=791146b, (RDF tag).
63. Fahnenfabrik Mehn Braunschweig, *Discostu, t=837674, (tag).
63b. Fahnenfabrik Mehn, Jnhaber: Erich Brothe, Braunschweig,
.... Seit 1890, *Discostu, t=337674, (tag) swastika flag.
64. J.Gross Nachfolgen Stetter, Mannheim, *anton67, t=839188, (tag).
64b. STETTER J. Gross Nachfolger Marktplatz F.2.6, (tag), *Milton,
..... from t=916381, (Swastika banner 14"x24").
65. Gath & Peine Hamburg Gegr 1867 Flaggenfabrik, *ff1, SF (tag).
65p. Flaggenfabrik Gath & Peine Hamburg Gegrundet 1867, RKF (tag).
66p. Henrich Muller Munchen, pending photo comfirmation, HJ.
67. Westdeutsche Fahnen-Fabrik Bonn, *Sasktraveler, HPSignal (tag).
68. Karl Moser Offenbach-M Fahnen- Vereinsartikel, *Wenzel, DRL (tag).
69. Gebr. Forster Fahnenfabrik 1939, *MJD, Balken Cross ID (stamp).
70. "Der Stahlhof" Magdeburg Ges. Gesch. N.S.D.F.B. (Stahlhelm) Flagge
..... *Howard Kelley, 2007 t=248350 (tag on pennant).
71. FIB" Pola, Italian maker, *nordy6, Fuhrer Standard t=760167, (tag).
72. lachener Fahnenfabrik Egid. Kugo Kah Gah.B.Lennartz Aachen, *stukas.
-----------------------( maker rarity ranking )-----------------------------
A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag),
....38(tag), 44, 49, 52(tag), 3d(after WW2 tag), 54, 57, 58, 62(tag),
....64(tag), 64b(tag), 68 (tag), 69 (stamp), 70 (tag), 71 (tag).
D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b,
....31,39(tag), 47, 48, 48b(tag), 53(tag), 56(tag), 59 (tag), 63&b(tag).
E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50, 51,
....61,65,72(tag).
------------------------[ Other ID Means ]----------------------------------
Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
....... pennants)
Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)
Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
....... 1932 or 1933 in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
......... like #91-OFW* pole top collection.
Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
....... Munchen, (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
....... *inimicus, (DAF CPF), from WAF t=587212
Ot18. KM Black Signal Flag, U-Boat Surrender type from t=800716.
Ot19. WW2 period snap hooks, (cp-flags, pennants, pb's t=943508)
--------------------------[ Fakes ] ---------------------------------------
Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
--------> Note: ALL 60x90 FLAGS ARE FAKES, see t=694529 <--------
Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
Fk3b. Fake RKF, 90x150, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
Fk3c. NMN Fake SS, 60x90, *TonyS, t=675999 (SS bolts on black)
Fk3d. Fake RKF, 90x145, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
Fk3e. Fake RKF, ~61x88cm, 1st pattern, bad marking, *Normandy, t=831734
Fk3f. R.Badermann Wien 4/42, 84cm long, *upbeck, (RKF) t=962961.
Fk3g. Fake SS-BW Posen, 40x60, *Iserlohn, post #385, (SS & skull)
Fk3h. Fake RKF (IC Center), marked 1943, 85x150, Munchen. See
..... WAF t=992482 for more details.
Fk3i-&-j. Fake flags marked 1940/41, 85x150, Hamburg and Kiel.
..... See WAF t=1010171 for more details.
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk4b. " with NS Soldatenbund fake marking, *OFW " from t=509449
..... and additional examples shown in WAF t=745222 and t=807943.
Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF P1/P2, 1970's Japan made)
Fk7b. NSKK M-76, " Modern Japan made, *jmcm, from t=580774.
Fk7c. NSKK Berlin, Modern Japan made, *Buhrkall, from t=669490
Fk7d. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
Fk7e. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
Fk7f. Adolf Hitler Standard, Modern Japan made, *Craig H t=833290
Fk7g. Naval Reserve Officer Commanding, Modern Japan made, *OFW
Fk7h. RDF (eagle in canton) , Modern Japan made, *OFW
Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
Fk15d. 60x90, M9/26, DIENSTFLAGGE, *kb, SS-Lager (SS on black)
Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
..... and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
Fk20b. Fahnen-Feeken Genthin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (Swaz.) t=929357
Fk20c. Fahnen-Feeken Genthin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (Swaz.) t=961599
Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)
Fk25. RZM St 21/36 SS, & 12.SS-Panzer Division Hitler Jugend,
..... fake tags, *LVAZ, (HJ) from t=775238.
Fk26, small table top flags (ttf's) & pennants, printed
.... or embroidered. SW Asia made, some with metal lug end
.... cross rods as seen in t=785055. (SS,KM,Heer, etc.)
Fk27. Different 3rd Reich standards in color on heavy cardstock,
.... etc. 11 inches x 9.5 inches. *OFW, see t=815666 & more.
...."... four differant versions sold by "Insignia Collector's Club" in the
....late 50s/early 60s... ".
Fk28. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 27.0" x 11.5",*OFW (WW1 Lancer pennant),
....see t=815734.
Fk29. NMM, IKF, 60x90cm,*OFW (WW1 War Flag), ... see t=841383.
Fk30. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, "Handelsflaqge mit
.... dem Eiseren Kreuz", Lot 550: THIRD REICH MERCHANT MARINE
.... FLAG, Est: $160 - $250 USD. 1943 fake date & bogus 48x86cm.
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(below) 72. lachener Fahnenfabrik Egid. Kugo Kah Gah.B.Lennartz
Aachen, *stukas, woven tag.