Deutschland Erwache Photos

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DE tassel ID secret ???

OFW, the repro tassels I saw were much better as
the common ones. The snaps were NOS ( New Old
Stock) in my opinon and we really needed a closer
look to tell they were fake. I know ... I should have
tanen pics...

rkdek:
A few might find this hard to believe, but here is the
"real" DE tassel identification secret. Something not
seen on the modern made reproduction tassels.
.....OFW

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Mil:
Early Police DE box had "POLIZEI" spelt out.
OFW
(below) "POLIZEI" DE box, before the emblem/swastika version.

Wow, That is a very early DE. I haven't seen that before, OFW. Thanks for posting.

Mil

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Early Police Standard ???

Wow, That is a very early DE. I haven't seen
that before, OFW. Thanks for posting.
Mi

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Mil:
Early "POLEZEI' standard trooping photo is shown
in the 1973 Almark "F&BotTR" pb book by Walker,
ISBN 10: 0855241527, ISBN 13: 9780855241520.
OFW
(below) Early Police Standard fragment in my collection.

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correction & addition ...

"Easy to tell the originals from the modern fakes,
by the snap hook detail, the cord construction,
and a very unique woven [star] pattern on" top.
OFW

And for the record SA and SS DE Tassels are the same.
OFW
(below-left/right) Period photos of SA & SS DE Tassels.
(below-2/3) In the past repro tassels look poorly made.

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Wow. This is fascinating. Very early stylised eagle, OFW.
Thanks for sharing. Early period material is very interesting, but also limited.

Mil

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Postcard Landshut 8. u 9. Juni 1930

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List addition ...

......Photo confirmed (*) surviving DE list.
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1. SA Eichsfeld, top & box, *IKE Presidential Library display.
2. SA Guben, full std., *OFW, Bender Collection, ex-PP of LA.
3. DE top, no box or other parts, *IWM UK, coll. #30089226.
4. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *SOS 2012, Ex-Gottlieb, show display.
5. SA Wien, *BH, replica cross pole part #5 per OFW guide.
6. SA Brunn, *DHM, replica banner part #8 per OFW parts guide.
7. SA top, NSDAP Box Plate, *HH, 20K Euros, also see post 87.
8. SS Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler, *OFW, Moscow CAFM #917695.
9. SA Hollabrunn, top, box, banner,tassels, *Ex-Joe-W, sold SOS.
10. DE top, *SOS 2018 $32,000.00 USD, asking price at show.
11. DE top, *MAX 2019 $38,750.00 USD, asking price at show.
12. DE top, *SOS 2015 $39,000.00 USD, show asking price, Wolfe.
13. SA across pole & tassel set, *SOS 2015, $15,000 asking, Wolfe.
14. DE top,*SOS 2014, Malcome Fisher, high hole tube base.
15. DE Banner, *OFW, only known, by me, 1923 DE Banner.
16. DE top & Banner, *BL, Melborne Aust. , see post #22.
17. DE top, 2007 dug relic, *HH, partial wreath & swastika.
18. SA Banner, 2016 SOS, *RD, part #5-8 in OFW reference.
19. DE top, 2014 dug relic swastika, *OFW SOS compare.
20. DE top, eagle on cut wreath fragment, *OFW, seen online.
21. DE top, eagle on wreath w/o swastika, *eBay 2004.
22. SA Banner + across pole & tassels & NSDAP Box Plate #50.
23. DE Banner, in relic condition, *HH Auction Munich Germany.
24. DE Banner & top, $44,995, *SOS 2003, 2 hole base tube.
25. DE Banner, top, & tassel set, 2012 Empire Auction, $86K.
26. DE Police Box Plate, *SOS, now in Austrian collection.
27. DE top, *online & WAF, 2009, M-35 top shown on left.
28. DE 1934 Streamer, *OFW, several observed. OFW Pt#10.
29. DE Standard Canvas Cover, *OFW, only known complete.
30. DE top, 2006 *ccsmith, via WAF thread t=151294.
31. SA across pole & tassels, 2012 *HH, parts 5,6,7 OFW Ref.
32. DE Banner, *Ex-Joe-W, sold at SOS to another collector.
33. SS DE Egerland, full standard, parts 1-8, *wolfe, ex-swan.
34. DE Top and Banner, *ex-swan, OFW parts #1 & #8.
35. SA Wien V, top and box, *OFW, parts #1 & #2 per OFW.
36. SA Salzkammergut, full standard, *HH, ex-PP, ~$300K.
37. SA Bodensee, full standard, *online, with partial part #9.
38. SA August Brunotte, *OFW, parts #1,2,,5,6,7,8 per OFW.
39. SA Bliesgau, full standard, *ex-Dick Deeter collection.
40. DE Banner, type 2 embroidered center, *Mohawk Arms.
41. DE Banner, type 3 applique center, *Brannow. Part #8.
42. DE Top & Banner, replica box, *online, Gettysburg Museum.
43. DE Banner, *Sacramento Auction 2016, OFW part #8.
44. DE Banner & top, & tassels, replica box, *Munich Musuem,
45. DE Banner & tassels, *Urlic 1997 Bender book, page 382.
46. SA Box Ambergau, *Lukens/Van Heuvelen, page 383.
47. SA Box Brunn, & top, *Ulric 1997 Bender book, page 387.
48. SA Box Celle Plate, *Ulric 1997 book, pages 387-389.
49. SA Box Hohenbaden, *HH Auction, pages 394-397.
50. SA Box Leipzig II, & top, *R.Wilson, page 398.
51. SS Box Nordbohmen, & top, *R.McCarthy, page 420.
52. SS Box Wurttemberg, & top, *Ulric 1997 book, page 421.
53. DE Banner, *R. Boward, *Ulric 1997 book, page 444.
54. DE top, *Weitze 1991, shown in Ulric 1997 book,page 445.
55. DE top, relic no eagle/swastika, *E.Rundkvist, page 446.
56. DE Banner, marked Statni-Film 6214, *Ulric book, page 447.
57. SA Box Niedenrhein & top, *Joe-W, see post #57 for photo.
58. SA DE Hof, full, *jmb online, see this thread post #70 for photo.
59. DE Banner, across pole, tassels, *OFW online. Israel Museum.
60. SA DE Schlesische Heide, top & box, *rkdek, see p#76 photo.
61. SA DE Banner & brown across pole, *jmb, Lux sold, see p# 92.
62. DE top, tassels, Banner, across-p, replica Berlin box, *EA, p#89.
63. DE top, Banner Statni-Film #8244, *jmb, Mil Plaza, p#92.
64. SS DE Südmähren, full std, *schoenwurf, W&H coll., p#100.
65. DE top, swastika missing, *EA, May 1997 GWGS, $2000 USD.
66. SA across pole & tassels, *Mohawk, parts 5,6,7. $5967 USD.
67. DE Banner, *Centurion Auctions, 2015 sold $11,750 +21%.
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Current surviving tally count total now at ...
36 eagle tops surviving, 24 NSDAP Boxes, or parts of
boxes existing, as are 20 tassel sets, 18 across poles,
30 hanging type DE Banners. 8 complete DE standards,
1 complete DE cover bag, and 1 partial top section cover
survive.
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(below) Listing 67 DE Banner, 2015 sold for $11,750 USD +21%,
Lot 13058, 12 bidders. Estimate $20,000 - $30,000.
"Size: 27x25"
Provenance: The banner was recovered in the Munich area between
1945 and 1946 as part of the routine duties of Sergeant
Gerald Caminer assigned as an interrogator/agent for the Counter-
intelligence Corp of the US Army 970th CIC Detach-
ment Region IV. The banner and a few other possessions
were taken from German Army Colonel Johannes-Rudolph
Muhlenkamp as part of Operation Rusty and ongoing prisoner
interviews. The banner remained in Gerald Caminer's posses-
sion until it was gifted to his niece in 2015. ..."

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Early postcard from Auktionshaus Christoph Gärtner

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Mil:
Early Police DE box had "POLIZEI" spelt out.
OFW
(below) "POLIZEI" DE box, before the emblem/swastika version.

OFW, the photo you posted has always caused a discussion, what with the DE and flags shown. It was always assumed that these were police flags and DE for all the police. I have a copy of the book from which the photo was taken at pre-1933 NSDAP rally in Berlin. I always thought that the DE box was a special sign of some sort, as it seemed very large in relation to the DE finial. But it is important to understand that these policemen were Prussian and the flags and the DE were considered representative of the Polizei Fachschaft (professional cell/group) of the local NSDAP.

There was no national police in 1932, only independent state police forces, of which Prussia had the largest. At this time there was no police eagle with swastika. The official insignia of the Prussian police was the Prussian eagle on the six pointed star, seen in the four corners of the banner and on the NSDAP flags. These are not "police" flags, but rather flags of the local NSDAP police cell. The later box incorporated the new post 1936 police insignia as the police then was truly nationalized an as Hitler pointed out, united in spirit with the NSDAP.

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SA Landshut 1 of 1st 4 DE's ...

Postcard Landshut 8. u 9. Juni 1930

... presented at the 1923 first RPT.
OFW
(below) The original 1st four DE's - Munchen, Munchen II,
Nurnberg, and Landshut. These four DE's had the more
expensive fully embroidered banners & screw in swastika
tops. Hitler didn't like their higher cost, so DE design was
changed both in 1925 and 1926 to lower the DE fab. cost.

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Period photo SA DE on parade.

"Hans E Maikowski", S. A. Sturm 33,
Standarte I, Berlin, with SBF behind.
OFW

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Period photo of SA DE ...

... " Loeper" on display.
Box has start/stop dots,
and letter p seems to push
into the lower 1cm edge.
.......OFW

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Oath taking on SA DE ...

... period photo, showing
raised finger salute use.
.......OFW

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Polizei box & police star use ???

... I always thought that the DE box was a special sign
of some sort, as it seemed very large in relation to the
DE finial ... and the flags and the DE were considered
representative of the Polizei Fachschaft (professional cell/
group) of the local NSDAP. ... At this time there was no
police eagle with swastika. ... The official insignia of the
Prussian police was the Prussian eagle on the six pointed
star, seen in the four corners of the banner and on the
NSDAP flags. These are not "police" flags, but rather flags
of the local NSDAP police cell. The later box incorporated
the new post 1936 police insignia as the police then was
truly nationalized an as Hitler pointed out, united in spirit
with the NSDAP.

JW:
Thanks for your interesting comments and police expertise.
I saw the Prussian eagle flag fragment, now in my collection,
available on the WAF e-Stand, offered by a member in Japan
of all places, Bill Unland. I initially saw it just after he bought
it & was walking by my Pamona Show tables 10 years ago. It
was of interest to me, as I like flag fragments, and in this odd
case I was aware of the Walker "F&BotTR" book photo that
showed such in early police parade use. So I was delighted
to get the chance to be able to buy this police star flag piece
after so many years gone by, thinking I had missed out on it
back when, never to see it again.

Regarding the POLIZEI box, IMO it is the same size as the
other DE standards, but the use of all capital letters makes
it look bigger than normal. And on the later M-1936 Police
eagle center emblem DE box, I think that Hitler's statement
about the police now being "united in spirt with the NSDAP",
bears out why the swastikas are included on their DE box.

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... presented at the 1923 first RPT.
OFW
(below) The original 1st four DE's - Munchen, Munchen II,
Nurnberg, and Landshut. These four DE's had the more
expensive fully embroidered banners & screw in swastika
tops. Hitler didn't like their higher cost, so DE design was
changed both in 1925 and 1926 to lower the DE fab. cost.

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