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    #121
    Originally posted by mrec27777 View Post
    these pics are AMAZING!!1...wonder if any standartebearers are still alive ...what stories they could tell... EC
    I agree... there could be so much more history to be learned from those who took part as bearers.

    Mil

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      #122
      These are OVERWHELMING photos shown by schoenwurf!! I wonder where these photos were taken -- obviously, if they were taken during the 8/9 November festivities, they were taken in Munich -- but in which building? And it took time in advance to prepare all of the banner-stands which held these DEs!!

      Fabulous and almost unbelievable!

      Br. James

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        #123
        After some research with my good friend Philippe (aka majorplm) we have found the place where the DE were stored in München: "Kuppelhalle der Bayerischen Armeemuseums".
        Photos then (Kuppelhalle) and now (Ruhmeshalle - Staatskanzlei).
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          #124
          Another view.
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            #125
            More about DE streamrers ...

            Originally posted by oldflagswanted;
            28. DE 1934 Streamer, *OFW, several observed.

            From 2013 WAF t=58591, post #23 ...
            1. T            he Ulric/Bender DE book, on page 285 shows one attributed
            to the Leipzig-II DE standard with a Robert Wilson photo credit.
            2. WAF 1934 cited & shown (*) example in t=537157, by ErichS.
            3. WAF 1934 cited & shown (*) example in t=368217, caf48 from vet.
            4. WAF 1934 cited example in t=537157, by OFW, PMS purchase.
            5. WAF 1934 cited example in t=537157, by KJV from vet, sold to WAF guy.
            6. Online 1934 cited & shown (*), item #422 sold by nsdapuniforms.com
            7. Online 1934 cited & shown (*), item #718 sold by nsdapuniforms.com
            8. Online 1934 cited & shown (*), item #A-345/FL-34, www.od43.com $2500
            9. Online 1933 " & shown (*), item 1623, www.craiggottlieb.com $2995
            10. WAF 1934 cited in t=541397 post #5, by Dr.Dolch
            11. Online 1934 cited & shown (*), item #1141, www.thirdreicharts.com
            12. Online 1934 cited, www.standarte.com.br <--- could be a repeat ???
            ************************************************** *******
            13. Online 1934, cited and shown (*) below, from 2 years ago.
            14. Online 1934, cited and shown (*) below, listed as number 718.
            ----------------------------------------------------------------
            Total found so far = fourteen (14) as shown (*) DE Streamers.
            OFW
            (below) As noted recently elsewhere online via google search.

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              #126
              Great answer - bravo !!!

              Originally posted by jmb View Post
              After some research with my good friend Philippe (aka majorplm)
              we have found the place where the DE were stored in München:
              "Kuppelhalle der Bayerischen Armeemuseums". Photos then
              (Kuppelhalle) and now (Ruhmeshalle - Staatskanzlei).
              jmb & Phillippe:
              Superb photo research of DE's at Munich display location.
              BRAVO !!!
              OFW
              PS/ I'm still wondering how many we are looking at here?
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                #127
                roughly around 500

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                  #128
                  DE count from photo ???

                  Originally posted by Robert H View Post
                  roughly around 500
                  RH:
                  And maybe even a few more? By my count I am
                  seeing 576, and not counting the M-35's. If we
                  know the date of this photo, we could also sum
                  up the DE Book presentation lists for a further
                  confirmation of the number of DE's shown here.
                  576 of 717 total made makes some 80% that
                  existed from back then before the WW2 purge.
                  ........OFW
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                    #129
                    Previously on the WAF ...

                    ... from 2013 t=58591 post #30, by WAF member Thorsten.B ...
                    "I thought I throw in this picture published on the website of the Bundesarchiv:

                    It shows several Sturmbannfahnen and DE-Standarten on stage
                    at a speech "( title: "Des Führers - Mein Kampf - als Spiegel arischer
                    Weltanschauung") in Munich and as visible held by Ahnenerbe-
                    Präsident Prof. Walther Wüst.

                    (Source of picture: BArch Bild 146-1999-007-36)"
                    ***************
                    OFW
                    PS/ I'm noting some interesting where to stand DE chalk marks on the stage.
                    And also the event use of both a podium banner and a balcony banner up front.


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                      #130
                      List addition, &amp; #62 correction ....

                      .......Photo confirmed (*) surviving DE list.
                      ---------------------------------------------------------------
                      1. SA Eichsfeld, top & box, *IKE Presidential Library display.
                      2. SA Guben, full std., *OFW, Bender Collection, ex-PP of LA.
                      3. DE top, no box or other parts, *IWM Collection, UK.
                      4. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *SOS 2012, Ex-Gottlieb, show display.
                      5. SA Wien, *BH, replica cross pole part #5 per OFW guide.
                      6. SA Brunn, *DHM, replica banner part #8 per OFW parts guide.
                      7. SA top, NSDAP Box Plate, *HH, 20K Euros, also see post 87.
                      8. SS Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler, *OFW, Moscow CAFM #917695.
                      9. SA Hollabrunn, top, box, banner,tassels, *Ex-Joe-W, sold SOS.
                      10. DE top, *SOS 2018 $32,000.00 USD, asking price at show.
                      11. DE top, *MAX 2019 $38,750.00 USD, asking price at show.
                      12. DE top, *SOS 2015 $39,000.00 USD, show asking price, Wolfe.
                      13. SA across pole & tassel set, *SOS 2015, $15,000 asking, Wolfe.
                      14. DE top,*SOS 2014, Malcome Fisher, high hole tube base.
                      15. DE Banner, *OFW, only known, by me, 1923 DE Banner.
                      16. DE top & Banner, *BL, Melborne Aust. , see post #22.
                      17. DE top, 2007 dug relic, *HH, partial wreath & swastika.
                      18. SA Banner, 2016 SOS, *RD, part #5-8 in OFW reference.
                      19. DE top, 2014 dug relic swastika, *OFW SOS compare.
                      20. DE top, eagle on cut wreath fragment, *OFW, seen online.
                      21. DE top, eagle on wreath w/o swastika, *eBay 2004.
                      22. SA Banner + across pole & tassels & NSDAP Box Plate.
                      23. DE Banner, in relic condition, *HH Auction Munich Germany.
                      24. DE Banner & top, $44,995, *SOS 2003, 2 hole base tube.
                      25. DE Banner, top, & tassel set, 2012 Empire Auction, $86K.
                      26. DE Police Box Plate, *SOS, now in Austrian collection.
                      27. DE top, *online & WAF, 2009, M-35 top shown on left.
                      28. DE 1934 Streamer, *OFW, several observed. OFW Pt#10.
                      29. DE Standard Canvas Cover, *OFW, only known complete.
                      30. DE top, 2006 *ccsmith, via WAF thread t=151294.
                      31. SA across pole & tassels, 2012 *HH, parts 5,6,7 OFW Ref.
                      32. DE Banner, *Ex-Joe-W, sold at SOS to another collector.
                      33. SS DE Egerland, full standard, parts 1-8, *wolfe, ex-swan.
                      34. DE Top and Banner, *ex-swan, OFW parts #1 & #8.
                      35. SA Wien V, top and box, *OFW, parts #1 & #2 per OFW.
                      36. SA Salzkammergut, full standard, *HH, ex-PP, ~$300K.
                      37. SA Bodensee, full standard, *online, with partial part #9.
                      38. SA August Brunotte, *OFW, parts #1,2,,5,6,7,8 per OFW.
                      39. SA Bliesgau, full standard, *ex-Dick Deeter collection.
                      40. DE Banner, type 2 embroidered center, *Mohawk Arms.
                      41. DE Banner, type 3 applique center, *Brannow. Part #8.
                      42. DE Top & Banner, replica box, *online, Gettysburg Museum.
                      43. DE Banner, *Sacramento Auction 2016, OFW part #8.
                      44. DE Banner & top, & tassels, replica box, *Munich Musuem,
                      45. DE Banner & tassels, *Urlic 1997 Bender book, page 382.
                      46. SA Box Ambergau, *Lukens/Van Heuvelen, page 383.
                      47. SA Box Brunn, & top, *Ulric 1997 Bender book, page 387.
                      48. SA Box Celle Plate, *Ulric 1997 book, pages 387-389.
                      49. SA Box Hohenbaden, *HH Auction, pages 394-397.
                      50. SA Box Leipzig II, & top, *R.Wilson, page 398.
                      51. SS Box Nordbohmen, & top, *R.McCarthy, page 420.
                      52. SS Box Wurttemberg, & top, *Ulric 1997 book, page 421.
                      53. DE Banner, *R. Boward, *Ulric 1997 book, page 444.
                      54. DE top, *Weitze 1991, shown in Ulric 1997 book,page 445.
                      55. DE top, relic no eagle/swastika, *E.Rundkvist, page 446.
                      56. DE Banner, marked Statni-Film 6214, *Ulric book, page 447.
                      57. SA Box Niedenrhein & top, *Joe-W, see post #57 for photo.
                      58. SA DE Hof, full, *jmb online, see this thread post #70 for photo.
                      59. DE Banner, across pole, tassels, *OFW online. Israel Museum.
                      60. SA DE Schlesische Heide, top & box, *rkdek, see p#76 photo.
                      61. SA DE Banner & brown across pole, *jmb, Lux sold, see p# 92.
                      62. DE top, tassels, Banner, across-p, replica Berlin box, *EA, p#89.
                      63. DE top, Banner Statni-Film #8244, *jmb, Mil Plaza, p#92.
                      64. SS DE                       Südmähren, full std, *schoenwurf, W&H coll., p#100.
                      65. DE Banner , NSDAP #50 Box plate, tassels, across pole,*HH.
                      ------------------------------------------------------------------
                      Current surviving tally count total now at ...
                      35 eagle tops surviving, 25 NSDAP Boxes, or parts of
                      boxes existing, as are 20 tassel sets, 18 across poles,
                      30 hanging type DE Banners. 8 complete DE standards,
                      1 complete DE cover bag, and 1 partial top section cover
                      survive.
                      **************************************************
                      OFW
                      (below) Listing 65 NSDAP box plate with inside #50 marking.
                      Attached Files
                      Last edited by oldflagswanted; 05-10-2020, 01:04 AM.
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                        #131
                        NSDAP Box #50 marking ???

                        Originally posted by Military View Post
                        Does anyone observe if there was any markings on
                        the plates shown by Ed in the post from the HH auction?
                        OFW commented that there was another plate stamped 50.
                        ...
                        Interesting thread, really informative.
                        Mil
                        Mil:
                        Here is the mysterious #50 NSDAP Box marked example.
                        What this number is for is not known, by me. Anyone?
                        OFW
                        (below) List 22, NSDAP box plate inside #50 marking.
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                          #132
                          List correction ...

                          Post #130 has the following error, list 65 is actually list item 22.

                          ......                          Photo confirmed (*) surviving DE list.
                          ---------------------------------------------------------------
                          1. SA Eichsfeld, top & box, *IKE Presidential Library display.
                          2. SA Guben, full std., *OFW, Bender Collection, ex-PP of LA.
                          3. DE top, no box or other parts, *IWM Collection, UK.
                          4. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *SOS 2012, Ex-Gottlieb, show display.
                          5. SA Wien, *BH, replica cross pole part #5 per OFW guide.
                          6. SA Brunn, *DHM, replica banner part #8 per OFW parts guide.
                          7. SA top, NSDAP Box Plate, *HH, 20K Euros, also see post 87.
                          8. SS Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler, *OFW, Moscow CAFM #917695.
                          9. SA Hollabrunn, top, box, banner,tassels, *Ex-Joe-W, sold SOS.
                          10. DE top, *SOS 2018 $32,000.00 USD, asking price at show.
                          11. DE top, *MAX 2019 $38,750.00 USD, asking price at show.
                          12. DE top, *SOS 2015 $39,000.00 USD, show asking price, Wolfe.
                          13. SA across pole & tassel set, *SOS 2015, $15,000 asking, Wolfe.
                          14. DE top,*SOS 2014, Malcome Fisher, high hole tube base.
                          15. DE Banner, *OFW, only known, by me, 1923 DE Banner.
                          16. DE top & Banner, *BL, Melborne Aust. , see post #22.
                          17. DE top, 2007 dug relic, *HH, partial wreath & swastika.
                          18. SA Banner, 2016 SOS, *RD, part #5-8 in OFW reference.
                          19. DE top, 2014 dug relic swastika, *OFW SOS compare.
                          20. DE top, eagle on cut wreath fragment, *OFW, seen online.
                          21. DE top, eagle on wreath w/o swastika, *eBay 2004.
                          22. SA Banner + across pole & tassels & NSDAP Box Plate #50.
                          23. DE Banner, in relic condition, *HH Auction Munich Germany.
                          24. DE Banner & top, $44,995, *SOS 2003, 2 hole base tube.
                          25. DE Banner, top, & tassel set, 2012 Empire Auction, $86K.
                          26. DE Police Box Plate, *SOS, now in Austrian collection.
                          27. DE top, *online & WAF, 2009, M-35 top shown on left.
                          28. DE 1934 Streamer, *OFW, several observed. OFW Pt#10.
                          29. DE Standard Canvas Cover, *OFW, only known complete.
                          30. DE top, 2006 *ccsmith, via WAF thread t=151294.
                          31. SA across pole & tassels, 2012 *HH, parts 5,6,7 OFW Ref.
                          32. DE Banner, *Ex-Joe-W, sold at SOS to another collector.
                          33. SS DE Egerland, full standard, parts 1-8, *wolfe, ex-swan.
                          34. DE Top and Banner, *ex-swan, OFW parts #1 & #8.
                          35. SA Wien V, top and box, *OFW, parts #1 & #2 per OFW.
                          36. SA Salzkammergut, full standard, *HH, ex-PP, ~$300K.
                          37. SA Bodensee, full standard, *online, with partial part #9.
                          38. SA August Brunotte, *OFW, parts #1,2,,5,6,7,8 per OFW.
                          39. SA Bliesgau, full standard, *ex-Dick Deeter collection.
                          40. DE Banner, type 2 embroidered center, *Mohawk Arms.
                          41. DE Banner, type 3 applique center, *Brannow. Part #8.
                          42. DE Top & Banner, replica box, *online, Gettysburg Museum.
                          43. DE Banner, *Sacramento Auction 2016, OFW part #8.
                          44. DE Banner & top, & tassels, replica box, *Munich Musuem,
                          45. DE Banner & tassels, *Urlic 1997 Bender book, page 382.
                          46. SA Box Ambergau, *Lukens/Van Heuvelen, page 383.
                          47. SA Box Brunn, & top, *Ulric 1997 Bender book, page 387.
                          48. SA Box Celle Plate, *Ulric 1997 book, pages 387-389.
                          49. SA Box Hohenbaden, *HH Auction, pages 394-397.
                          50. SA Box Leipzig II, & top, *R.Wilson, page 398.
                          51. SS Box Nordbohmen, & top, *R.McCarthy, page 420.
                          52. SS Box Wurttemberg, & top, *Ulric 1997 book, page 421.
                          53. DE Banner, *R. Boward, *Ulric 1997 book, page 444.
                          54. DE top, *Weitze 1991, shown in Ulric 1997 book,page 445.
                          55. DE top, relic no eagle/swastika, *E.Rundkvist, page 446.
                          56. DE Banner, marked Statni-Film 6214, *Ulric book, page 447.
                          57. SA Box Niedenrhein & top, *Joe-W, see post #57 for photo.
                          58. SA DE Hof, full, *jmb online, see this thread post #70 for photo.
                          59. DE Banner, across pole, tassels, *OFW online. Israel Museum.
                          60. SA DE Schlesische Heide, top & box, *rkdek, see p#76 photo.
                          61. SA DE Banner & brown across pole, *jmb, Lux sold, see p# 92.
                          62. DE top, tassels, Banner, across-p, replica Berlin box, *EA, p#89.
                          63. DE top, Banner Statni-Film #8244, *jmb, Mil Plaza, p#92.
                          64. SS DE                           Südmähren, full std, *schoenwurf, W&H coll., p#100.
                          ------------------------------------------------------------------
                          Current surviving tally count total now at ...
                          35 eagle tops surviving, 24 NSDAP Boxes, or parts of
                          boxes existing, as are 19 tassel sets, 17 across poles,
                          29 hanging type DE Banners. 8 complete DE standards,
                          1 complete DE cover bag, and 1 partial top section cover
                          survive.
                          **************************************************
                          OFW
                          (below) Listing 22 NSDAP box plate with inside #50 marking.
                          Attached Files
                          Last edited by oldflagswanted; 05-10-2020, 01:33 AM.
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                            #133
                            as parts of a DE were numbered at various positions, it could be this is the standard for "Herrnstadt" from Silezia. Maybe the number was the number for Standarte 50.
                            Just a suggestion??

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                              #134
                              <figcaption>Varel - 1934
                              </figcaption>
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                                #135
                                Screen copy from this video link (from Philippe).
                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnWf...youtu.be&t=994
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                                Last edited by jmb; 05-10-2020, 07:01 AM.

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