USA: Effects of reinstatement of the "assault weapons ban" on our collecting?

[phild]

So I am confused..........the FBI doesn't even get my fingerprints...yet I am cleared and approved to get my arms back....2 hrs after I talked to the NICS person???? Was it just because I was a "nice guy"??? Or is there a snafu in the system??? I did ask the lady how many felons are caught trying to buy weapons.....she was unsure.....just said there were a lot of stupid criminals out there. Much like to guy yesterday...who ran from the police....straight to the police station...which he thought was a building he could run into and hide!!! They only had to walk him 20 feet to his jail cell...........where they should remove his testicles and prevent him and other dumb@#$s criminals from passing their genes on to the next generation of idiots!!! Thanx for all the input......Dana

It sounds like you were one of the hundreds of thousands of qualified owners who scored a flag or delay in the system. Why you did not get the call back the first time, I have no idea. It was and I think still is the case that a delay that is not resolved in 72 hours means that you are clear to take the firearm. That does not help at a Gun Show and maybe that is the idea, but that was the default that was set at least up until a couple of years ago.

It is not uncommon for the system to be down for hours or even days and there are all kinds of things that can cause a delay or hold on release.

If you think this is bad just wait for National Heath Care!!! It will be DMV, IRS, Social Security Administration and and VA times 1000!! I'm glad that I'm older because I doubt that the years ahead will be a fraction of liberty and ability to LIVE as to what I have experienced say 40+ years ago.

[dwalkerman]

I agree the the healthcare issue!!! I have been a RN for 25 years and know how the system is now, know about "socialized medicine".....and I am at the age where it will affect me!!! Thanx for your input!! I am just glad that I am no longer confused with a convicted felon!!! Take care Dana

[Z19]

guns

Yes, we do have to be very watchful but there are a few postives as well. Even though the Dems now control both houses you've got to remember, there are a lot of new "blue dog Dems" that don't see eye to eye with the left wing side of their own party and they come from states that would kick them to the streets if they voted against guns or any type of gun control. It would be a lot better on all of us if you California guys could get together and get rid of Pelosi. Alex

[Johnnie]

Agreed! And it is important to remember that not all so called "Republicans" were exactly Second Ammendment friendly.
The key is to keep the pressure on all elected officials regardless of party.
The smart one remember that WE remember.

Johnnie

Yes, we do have to be very watchful but there are a few postives as well. Even though the Dems now control both houses you've got to remember, there are a lot of new "blue dog Dems" that don't see eye to eye with the left wing side of their own party and they come from states that would kick them to the streets if they voted against guns or any type of gun control. It would be a lot better on all of us if you California guys could get together and get rid of Pelosi. Alex

[ChrisCook]

Threat to gunownership

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill...d?bill=h111-45

It doesn't do anyone anygood to sit here and bellyache about the threats to our 2nd ammendment rights, write your congressmen, and use the editorial sections of your local papers to draw attention to the issues....
Don't think the 2nd ammendment can be overturned? There is already a push to revise part of the constitution....
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=hj111-5

[nutmeg]

Sounds like "President for Life"

[scotty1418]

To directly answer the original question posed...

I think it depends on your collecting perspective.

If you're into Zulu war and have a bunch of martini-enfield rifles, it would absolutely not affect your collecting.

For those of us who collect bolt action rifles, I don't expect it would change much either.

The difficulty comes if you happen to collect all models of CETME or G3 semi-auto rifles, or AK variants or ARs.

To be fair, I think CETME's are neat, but I don't know if I'd consider them in the realm of our ww2 collecting.

Asking if this would affect the realm of ww2 collecting versus gun-owning rights in general are two very different things.

[Josh Beckett]

WWII guns would be affected. SVT 40s are considered assault weapons, and so are M1 carbines.

[Suber]

Chris,

I know for a fact that every instant gun check is computerized and run against a database to see what 'patterns' of firearms an individual is buying or selling (trade-ins, etc). The BATF is using local law enforcement, on a detailed to BATF salaried basis, to accomplish this goal.

Yes, form 4473, along with the bound dealer sales and transfer book, is kept with the dealer. There are periodic checks on dealers who show 'unusual patterns' of transfers, whatever that means. With tightening of gun laws, there are more checks and dealers who relinquish their licenses and surrender their records.

The good news is that in the year of 2007, more money was spent on 'shooting sports' than on golf. That is the first time that has ever happened and is a direct result of the sport of single action shooting. There are far too many millionaires who collect exotic firearms for there to be a total ban on ownership. It may get a litte more restrictive, but I doubt it will be any more strigent than the eight years of the Clinton presidency. Those southern and western Democrats are all elected by hunters and sportsmen.

Do I trust the government? I think you know the answer to that.

Bob Hritz

Well said Bob, I fully agree with you.

[phild]

WWII guns would be affected. SVT 40s are considered assault weapons, and so are M1 carbines.

"Assault Weapons" is an emotional buzz term that has no TRUE meaning...hence the reason it was coined about 25 years ago. It can mean anything to anybody and can and has been routinly re-defined within the Laws to reflect various agendas.

The term "assault Rifle" from which it was stolen has always been defined as a selective fire weapon.

I make the above points because we don't know what elements any attempted future regulations addressing "assault weapons" will contain or how it will try and define what firearm types are affected.

If anyone thinks that I am wrong, I have seen proposed federal legislation on assault weapons that was proposed about 15 years ago that would have impacted Brown Bess muskets for instance!!!!!!!!!! It is a military weapon designed to take a bayonet...those were the only criteria needed.

[Ben R]

[QUOTE=scotty1418;3039736]To directly answer the original question posed...

I think it depends on your collecting perspective.

If you're into Zulu war and have a bunch of martini-enfield rifles, it would absolutely not affect your collecting."

the problem is that we are all equal in the eyes of the anti gun politicians. dont think for a moment that someone's Martini Henry rifles or cowboy action stuff is any more acceptable to them than a G.43 or an ak-74. to them, a gun is a gun and nobody but the police or military should be allowed to have one. they have mastered the practice of divide and conquer, so that deluded individuals will go along with them, individuals who want to think of themselves as 'enlightened' or 'moderate' because they only own krieghoffs or Merkels... or a bolt action... and who are willing to throw under the bus any fellow gun owner who collects differently, just in the interest of looking big and saving their own property. unfortunately this is what always kills freedom and dooms resistance to tyranny in the end. remember ,
Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Kommunist.
Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.

Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten,
habe ich nicht protestiert;
ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.

Als sie die Juden holten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Jude.

Als sie mich holten,
gab es keinen mehr, der protestieren konnte

(When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out) . unless we get over this feeling of 'I dont care about your rights because they dont affect me" then none of us will have guns - only gulags.

[John F.]

The Right to Arm Bears

What’s funny is the fact that there is no Democrat proposal at the moment to deal with guns. All this concern is over the fact that President Obama had once mentioned the possibility of an ammunition tax, and that he voted against a bill that would legalize the use of guns for self-defense in municipalities with gun bans. Although, I feel that the President probably is not pro-gun, the fact is no one really knows what his views are because he has never come out and said that he would or woundn't support legislation proposing gun control, and all the panic comes from the uncertainty surrounding his real position on gun control. With that said, even if President Obama does advocate an assault-weapons ban, he's not going to push it any time soon. As already stated, Gun Control is not at the top of his agenda especially in the midst of our economic crisis and the two wars. However, if he did propose some sort of gun control there would be no immediate change in your access or ability to purchase a gun or ammunition. What I find interesting is that everyone is so concerned about their 2nd Amendment right being violated over what the president may or may not do, but no one seemed too concerned about their 4th Amendment right when the last President initiated the Patriot Act. Anyway, I am glad to see that all this fear has caused an increase in the sales of firearms and ammo...something need to stimulate the US economy.
Check out what FactCheck.org has to say about the issue: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...ets_obama.html

[CurtD]

What I find interesting is that everyone is so concerned about their 2nd Amendment right being violated over what the president may or may not do, but no one seemed too concerned about their 4th Amendment right when the last President initiated the Patriot Act.

What rights did we lose with the Patriot Act and has Obama promised to restore them?

[gew98]

1) All this concern is over the fact that President Obama had once mentioned the possibility of an ammunition tax, and that he voted against a bill that would legalize the use of guns for self-defense in municipalities with gun bans.
2) the fact is no one really knows what his views are because he has never come out and said that he would or woundn't support legislation proposing gun control, and all the panic comes from the uncertainty surrounding his real position on gun control.
3) As already stated, Gun Control is not at the top of his agenda especially in the midst of our economic crisis and the two wars.
4) everyone is so concerned about their 2nd Amendment right being violated over what the president may or may not do, but no one seemed too concerned about their 4th Amendment right when the last President initiated the Patriot Act.
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John ;
1) It is not that Oblahma has mentioned such things.. he has endorsed such things.. that does not bode well. And to forget his VP is one of the champion dogs against firearms ownership cannot go unnoticed.
2) Oblahmas views on gun control and anti 2nd stances are well documented from all his time as a chicago politico and when he was a "community activist". It's on record and as well cannot be ignored.
3) Gun control for sure is not at the top of his list of things to do , but you can bet if he needs a smokescreen for something he will cloud the waters and divide opposition by using it he thinks it will get him something , even if only symbolic. As seen his early arrogance and lakc of bipartisan tone should be a grave clue to his goals.
4) I can't agree with everything in the patriot act but it's oddly now no longer in play for tearing down... seems that there are even murmers in the left camp to quietly expand it with their use of political doublespeak and good old fashioned smoke and mirrors to divide the sheeple.
The current president and his ilk are almost all exclusively from urban areas of decay and only know how to take more money from peter to rob paul and how they thrive in a sea of legalese babble and tomfoolery symbolism in their grab for power with which accented by their egos is no small threat to the America we do know exists outside their socialist urban utopia tunnelvision.

[John F.]

What rights did we lose with the Patriot Act...

Your right to privacy. The Patriot act allowed the government to eavesdrop on your personal and private phone conversation, emails, ect.

...has Obama promised to restore them?

Back in 2005, Sen Obama cosponsored a bill, the Security and Freedom and Enhancement (SAFE) Act of 2005 (S. 737), which amended the Patriot Act to safeguard against privacy violations of US Citizens .