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    #16
    Originally posted by Craig W.C. Brown View Post
    My reference is Nelson, World's Submachineguns, V.1; it shows M1918 as top mag and no loop. Admittedly it may be out of date or in error; no rference to M1918-30 in it. Can you cite reference for your ID?
    i have the 1969 edition of 'small arms of the world', it shows this exact smg and calls it the m 1918. i find the website with the evolution of the villar perosa confusing. anyone else know?

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      #17
      Originally posted by PanzerJohn View Post
      Why would the forestry service need an automatic carbine? Particularly viscious
      squirrells perhaps?
      No, smugglers and poachers !

      This is a Beretta 1918/30 semiautomatic carabine for the Milizia Forestale (before and during WW2) and Corpo Forestale dello Stato (after WW2).

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        #18
        Originally posted by Bydand View Post
        No, smugglers and poachers !

        This is a Beretta 1918/30 semiautomatic carabine for the Milizia Forestale (before and during WW2) and Corpo Forestale dello Stato (after WW2).
        this is complicated, the picture of the forestry carbine on the other website shows a fluted barrel, no?

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          #19
          This is not so common, even here in Italy, so I don't know if there were any variations on barrel shape.

          But look at the rear sight base and the lever near the ejecton window: it looks to me more like the picture of the 1918/30 than the 1918 one in Beretta website.

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            #20
            mkb42h, "Small Arms of the World", originally by Smith and updated by Ezell in the late 1960's is rife with errors, and to my knowledge has not been updated in over 25 years. While a classic, it it quite out of date as a reference.

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              #21
              I agree with herd118 (both books were translated and published in italian).
              There are a lot of mistakes !

              Concerning the 1918/30 carabine: they were held in stock till the '80s.
              A few specimens reached the market for sale.
              I fear that the most part of them were destroyed !

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                #22
                Here you can find a picture of a 1918/30 carabine together a lot of stuff of Milizia Forestale

                http://www.blitzkriegmilitaria-forum...?t=5415&page=3

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                  #23
                  One of the problems with Italian pre 45 small arms nomenclature is that the same items were often refered to by various names in different period texts and sources. In addition, the extremely large number of modifications of various weapons makes it difficult. For example, trying to catalogue the numerious modifications done to the various models of the Carcano weapons system is indeed a study in it's own right.
                  There also doesn't seem to be a wealth of in depth reliable information on these weapons in English.

                  Johnnie

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Bydand View Post
                    Here you can find a picture of a 1918/30 carabine together a lot of stuff of Milizia Forestale

                    http://www.blitzkriegmilitaria-forum...?t=5415&page=3

                    Bydand,

                    Any chance of posting these directly? You have to be a member of the board evidently to see pics, and since I do not speak Italian I'm not sure about signing up for the board.

                    Regards,

                    Johnnie

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                      #25
                      Join our forum is free and we speak english too !

                      I'm not able to load the picture on this forum ! Any help ?

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Bydand View Post
                        Join our forum is free and we speak english too !

                        I'm not able to load the picture on this forum ! Any help ?
                        I will give it a try! Thanks!

                        Johnnie

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by herd118 View Post

                          "Beretta Automatic Carabine
                          Cal. 9mm Parabellum (9x19mm)
                          Compared with the preceding Mod. 1918, of which it is a variant, this arm presents some modifications to the firing system and to the rear sight.
                          It was adopted by some Police units and by the Italian Forestry Service."
                          Hello, the Beretta 18/30 was not in Cal 9mm Parabellum but in 9mm Glisenti, a less powerful cartridge, the same of the Villar Perosa 1915, the OVP and the Beretta 18.
                          The MAB 38 was the first italian SMG in 9mm like 9Para, the more powerful 9M38, that has 20% more powder.
                          Many english-speaking writers confuse the three 9mm, that have similar size.

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