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    Interesting Machine Gun! HELP!

    Hi Guys,

    My friend found this gun about a weeks ago. He found it in an old house in Hungary after he cleaned it.

    The problem is: nobody know exactly what type of this gun.

    We think this is a first war machine gun (maybe Italy).

    If anybody know more information please help us!

    Picture and all opinion welcome

    Kind regards
    László
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            #6
            The bayonet looks like Mannlicher Carcano M91 folding cavalry type, but the gun more like rework, nót standard rifle or MP,best regards,Andy

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              Beretta Cardone carbine, semi-automatic.

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                Originally posted by Craig W.C. Brown View Post
                Beretta Cardone carbine, semi-automatic.
                why not the beretta m 1918 submachine gun?

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                  SMG has mag on top and does not have looped cocking handle.

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                    Originally posted by Craig W.C. Brown View Post
                    SMG has mag on top and does not have looped cocking handle.
                    mod 1918-30 has features you describe, mod 1918 is as pictured above.

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                      #11
                      My reference is Nelson, World's Submachineguns, V.1; it shows M1918 as top mag and no loop. Admittedly it may be out of date or in error; no rference to M1918-30 in it. Can you cite reference for your ID?

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                        http://www.berettaweb.com/Militari/Beretta_1918_30.htm

                        The gun pictured above appears to be the following, as described in the above link - and to be a Beretta 1918/30:

                        "Beretta Automatic Carabine
                        Cal. 9mm Parabellum (9x19mm)
                        Compared with the preceding Mod. 1918, of which it is a variant, this arm presents some modifications to the firing system and to the rear sight.
                        It was adopted by some Police units and by the Italian Forestry Service."

                        It matches the picture above this description.

                        It does not appear to match the semi auto version (Beretta Semiautomatic Carabine
                        Cal. 9mm Glisenti) as pictured, as it is missing some sort of control (safety?) pictured on the right side of the receiver, above the trigger assembly.

                        Edit: Actually, it could be the semi auto model - too hard to tell in the rusted condition sans stock.
                        Last edited by herd118; 08-25-2008, 11:56 AM.

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                          #13
                          Here you can find the semi automatic version in action:

                          http://www.armietiro.it/edisport/arm...3?OpenDocument

                          and an article in italian:
                          http://www.armietiro.it/edisport/arm...3?OpenDocument

                          Regards
                          brus

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                            "Beretta Automatic Carabine
                            Cal. 9mm Parabellum (9x19mm)
                            Compared with the preceding Mod. 1918, of which it is a variant, this arm presents some modifications to the firing system and to the rear sight.
                            It was adopted by some Police units and by the Italian Forestry Service."



                            Why would the forestry service need an automatic carbine? Particularly viscious
                            squirrells perhaps?

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                              Hi Guys,

                              Many thanks for everybody!!!

                              You are the kings

                              Kind regards
                              László

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