Ss chained dagger near mint

[The Red Baron]

Crappy pictures make a crappy dagger.It looks OK now.

What a surprise

[Rheingold]

Cool-seems like we're all in agreement! Great dagger with a great dark motto for a chain!

[tobau]

Pics can be doubt so we must be careful with opinions.I have this experience, too.
I think this dagger is a good one

[Frogprince]

Not to be disagreeable, but everyone has their own standards. And I still haven't seen all of the dagger just selected portions. With my sense of what is in the latest photos/images being that at best it has been "tarted up" with only partial success.

With my own TR period collecting starting with German Lugers using the (in the U.S.) commonly accepted NRA standards for condition. And if the same standard was applied here?? So what exactly does "great" or "near mint" mean to most dagger collectors? Realizing of course that blade collectors range from the "condition" collectors, to those who are just "filling in a hole" in a collection. FP

[eiger]

This dagger wasnt ever tarted up!!!
Still renaissance Wax, thats all! And only the Blade with Wax!
Never openend thats all and now let be assumption!
Regards

[The Red Baron]

Not to be disagreeable, but everyone has their own standards. And I still haven't seen all of the dagger just selected portions. With my sense of what is in the latest photos/images being that at best it has been "tarted up" with only partial success.

With my own TR period collecting starting with German Lugers using the (in the U.S.) commonly accepted NRA standards for condition. And if the same standard was applied here?? So what exactly does "great" or "near mint" mean to most dagger collectors? Realizing of course that blade collectors range from the "condition" collectors, to those who are just "filling in a hole" in a collection. FP

Tarted up....

[Frogprince]

For a start, nickel plating is a factory applied finish, not rust. FP

[eiger]

The scabbard Fittings are not polished
or everhing would done. I know this dagger
Since Ten years....only the Wax on the Blade!
Regards Alex

[Frogprince]

The scabbard Fittings are not polished
or everhing would done. I know this dagger
Since Ten years....only the Wax on the Blade!
Regards Alex

So the worn appearing chain set is not rusted, and then polished? FP

[N.C. Wyeth]

So the worn appearing chain set is not rusted, and then polished? FP

So the guy said it was "near mint" . . . and maybe it's not . . . we get that. It's still a beautiful dagger . . . regardless.

If it means that much to mention all of the negative notes, so be it - OK . . . but after all that, wouldn't it be nice, once in a while . . . just give someone a little praise, and leave it at that?

The thing is much older than all of us . . . and Lord forbid, we compare the current shape it is in, to that of ourselves. All that "high horse" stuff again . . . geez.

[rob NL]

It's a nice dagger, congrats!

[Mac 66]

Dr Dolch & Fred, Give it a break !, seems people can type any old crap these days on this forum & get away with it, what we need is a decent Mod on here to stamp out the Trolls imho.



eiger,


Lovely chained SS dagger with a screamer of a blade



Regards Mac 66.

[Frogprince]

I have some other things to do today so this will be brief. With the first set of images I was very careful to clarify that opinions were tentative and based on what they looked like in the images, versus in-hand or with better quality pictures. And there were other posters who also asked for better images. With the second set of images noticeably different IMO, showing a portion of the aspects of the dagger that before then were not clear in the first set. Focusing my comments on the obvious (at least to me) fact that what was seen with the second set of images was a rusted chain set that had been vigorously cleaned/polished to remove rust exposing bare metal. So from my point of view what I am saying is either in the photos - or it is not. FP

[The Red Baron]

I have some other things to do today so this will be brief. With the first set of images I was very careful to clarify that opinions were tentative and based on what they looked like in the images, versus in-hand or with better quality pictures. And there were other posters who also asked for better images. With the second set of images noticeably different IMO, showing a portion of the aspects of the dagger that before then were not clear in the first set. Focusing my comments on the obvious (at least to me) fact that what was seen with the second set of images was a rusted chain set that had been vigorously cleaned/polished to remove rust exposing bare metal. So from my point of view what I am saying is either in the photos - or it is not. FP

As noted by everyone but you and the Dr., this is a nice dagger and doesn't need your unnecessary, hard to follow and demeaning comments. You opinion is noted and doesn't need to be reiterated. You went from saying it may be fake to saying its been cleaned and messed with, etc. You have a problem with anything posted on here. I speak for nearly everyone when I say that your comments and opinions are not helpful and not welcome.

[Frogprince]

As noted by everyone but you and the Dr., this is a nice dagger and doesn't need your unnecessary, hard to follow and demeaning comments. You opinion is noted and doesn't need to be reiterated. You went from saying it may be fake to saying its been cleaned and messed with, etc. You have a problem with anything posted on here. I speak for nearly everyone when I say that your comments and opinions are not helpful and not welcome.

If you really wanted me to stay out of your business it might have helped by not taking something said out of context. Because the only time where I used the term fake (actually fakes as a general matter) was as follows:

Post # 28: I tried to enlarge the photos but had no real success, although it did seem to me that one of the crossbones had more detail than that on another chain link. Was it wear, lighting angle, or some other result of digital photography? I don't know. But as some recent past threads here have proven some very good fakes have passed muster (at least at first) by some reasonably well versed collectors/dealers. And if there is a dispute here - the answer is that it should be fairly easy to resolve it with some really good closeup pictures that show more of the dagger in closeup detail. FP

And you were not alone in confirming that better pictures were needed.

Post # 29: agreed! Close-ups usually make it much easier.

And then Post # 40 where I believe you offered to purchase the dagger. That was followed up by post # 67 to # 70 with new closeups (minus of course the left hand upper side of the grip) that showed a much different look for the chain links with many dark areas.

So if you need some help in understanding corrosion and its effect on steel and plating (and more specifically daggers) just say so. I’ll also gladly post some images showing the different visual aspects of the first set of images contrasted with the second - as a tool for use in future threads where images are not all that they might seem to be at first. It’s your call. FP