Himmler Dagger For Review

[The Red Baron]

"the games on gotta go" is a nonsensicle statement so I don't know how to reply to that.

There were no pre-TK, SS ring given out, like the himmler daggers, or the same logic would apply.

"What SS men did with their daggers is pure speculation"

You could make this statement as to the activity of any group throughout history.
simply put, this argument attempts to discredit the study of history in general. This school of the study of history, the school which studies not the macro-workings of societies and civilization, but the micro, personal level, is recognized by many, including my former mentor, Dr. Jonathon Sperber, a well recognized german historian. I doubt that he has wasted his life speculating about the lives of those past. Your statement wreaks of ignorance. The study of history is inherently speculation; but speculation supported by the facts and logic that we have.

[11C]

And daggers made by the "Thousands" in 1934 were difficult for some reason? The games on gotta go.

It is suggested that thousands were produced to replace the "destroyed" Rhons. I'm sure the first 200 were special and made with the highest of care and quality materials, but I have doubts about most of the others that seem to be out there. Personally, I would much rather have an early, type II chained model...........especially for the STUPID money the Himmlers command. Like most SS items, the supply does not justify the price. I saw four of these at the MAX this past year and all were still there on Saturday afternoon as I remember.

[DR DOLCH]

It's like I said, they are highly sought after by many 3rd Reich edged weapon collectors today.

DR DOLCH
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Wanted: Himmler Dagger
100% original,open as to condition with no serious defects i.e broken tip,sharpened,buffed,ect.Please respond with price and good pictures.USA sales only,Thanks timrzorro@aol.com

I will agree to that. If your not mad at me for having independent thought let me know if you find one.I prefer a non-drawer queen at a good price.

[DR DOLCH]

"the games on gotta go" is a nonsensicle statement so I don't know how to reply to that.

There were no pre-TK, SS ring given out, like the himmler daggers, or the same logic would apply.

"What SS men did with their daggers is pure speculation"

You could make this statement as to the activity of any group throughout history.
simply put, this argument attempts to discredit the study of history in general. This school of the study of history, the school which studies not the macro-workings of societies and civilization, but the micro, personal level, is recognized by many, including my former mentor, Dr. Jonathon Sperber, a well recognized german historian. I doubt that he has wasted his life speculating about the lives of those past. Your statement wreaks of ignorance. The study of history is inherently speculation; but speculation supported by the facts and logic that we have.

"Knowledge is Good"Dr Dweeb Squeebo Farber College.

[The Red Baron]

"Knowledge is Good"Dr Dweeb Squeebo Farber College.

You have no knowledge. Go learn about this period you are spending money on. I'm sure you are much more qualified and knowledgeable than any history Phd. My apologies. With your linguistic and writing skills I should have quickly realized your mastery of the topic.

[DR DOLCH]

History is written by the victors.

[DR DOLCH]

It's like I said, they are highly sought after by many 3rd Reich edged weapon collectors today.

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100% original,open as to condition with no serious defects i.e broken tip,sharpened,buffed,ect.Please respond with price and good pictures.USA sales only,Thanks timrzorro@aol.com

(The Bad)JR You had exactly what I was looking for and did not even contact me. (The Good) You have showed the doubters I am correct in that they were not all drawer queens."No business is good business"

[11C]

(The Bad)JR You had exactly what I was looking for and did not even contact me. (The Good) You have showed the doubters I am correct in that they were not all drawer queens."No business is good business"

Here you go Doc.......Another overpriced Himmler in obviously worn, less than perfect condition. They're everywhere.

http://www.johnsonreferencebooks.com...-whanger-28833

[The Red Baron]

haha I just saw that piece; price is sure interesting......

I think the general assertion that most SS dagger collectors would agree to, is that Himmler's are per capita found in better condition than other M33's.

The Key is finding an untouched one, from the family, never collected, in mint condition but uncleaned with the original hanger under 22k! hahaha

[11C]

haha I just saw that piece; price is sure interesting......

I think the general assertion that most SS dagger collectors would agree to, is that Himmler's are per capita found in better condition than other M33's.

The Key is finding an untouched one, from the family, never collected, in mint condition but uncleaned with the original hanger under 22k! hahaha

You'd still be overpaying IMO. I've collected daggers for 30 years and had several Himmlers during that time. They are not rare, just well sold. Most of them are traded among collectors and not offered to dealers very often; so when a dealer does get one, it becomes a BIG deal. Whittmann and Johnson have literally set prices on these bad boys and continue to create the "legend" of this somewhat common dagger. As I said, I saw several at the MAX and I'm sure if you really want one, you'll have no trouble finding one at the SOS for a decent price. Just stay away from the "perfect" ones offered by the big time dealers. (I'm sure Steve Wolfe has at least five or six put away for people who aren't concerned about price or do not want to spend the time to chase one.)

[DR DOLCH]

Here you go Doc.......Another overpriced Himmler in obviously worn, less than perfect condition. They're everywhere.

http://www.johnsonreferencebooks.com...-whanger-28833

"Retipped" Too me means ruined. Would not take it at half the price.Thanks for letting me know about it.I will have no trouble finding one at a good prce.Good things come to those who wait.

[The Red Baron]

I don't know if I would call these common!


But I do agree on these demand drives price. Epitome of the SS dagger.

[11C]

I don't know if I would call these common!


But I do agree on these demand drives price. Epitome of the SS dagger.

No SS dagger is common, but these SS daggers are readily more available than the price would suggest. SS High Leaders, SS Rohm's, SS Honor daggers, SS Sports or Training School daggers, any damascus blade............. These are all far rarer than a Himmier. Does a Himmler justify the current dealer prices?.............Not from my wallet. There are just too many of them out there on a "regular" basis to pay what "dealer opinion" thinks they are worth.

[The Red Baron]

Thats why you gotta get 'em from the weeds and families......

[Ron Weinand]

Dealer's do not set the price, the market place sets the price by demand. They won't sell if the demand isn't there, regardless of the price and I haven't had any trouble selling a Himmler. Just sent one to Europe. Its an international hobby anymore.