Himmler Dagger For Review

[DR DOLCH]

To sum up my point is Himmler daggers are no different then any other dagger from the era.So why are they so minty? Sitting in a SS mans drawer for ten years does not seem like a good explanation. The Gau marked Type 1 reference is if all it takes for Type one M36 to be fake is a Gau stamp.So a type one could have been made post war without a Gau stamp and who would know because it would be textbook.

[The Red Baron]

To sum up my point is Himmler daggers are no different then any other dagger from the era.So why are they so minty? Sitting in a SS mans drawer for ten years does not seem like a good explanation. The Gau marked Type 1 reference is if all it takes for Type one M36 to be fake is a Gau stamp.So a type one could have been made post war without a Gau stamp and who would know because it would be textbook.

Himmler daggers are very different from other daggers of the era; if you had carefully read the responses in this thread you would have seen that. Himmler daggers are unique because they were issued to men who already possessed a dagger. Thus, they never wore the Himmler honor dagger, and simply put it away, where many remained for years and some until the collectible period. Just avoiding the daily wear, combined with having been put away creates a large number of very top end condition examples being available. They did not sit in drawers for 10 years, they were immediately placed in "drawers" and not touched for 80 years.

Second. You reference to Gau marked Type I daggers makes absolutely no sense. You have yourself, said that these daggers are period production in other threads.

You assertions are baseless and confusing.

Finally, if a Himmler could so easily be assembled and faked or whatever you are saying, why are you asking to buy on in the wanted section.....

[Ron Weinand]

I an with Red Baron on this one. ALSO, if anyone examines Eickhorn Himmlers and Rohms carefully, it will be noted that the nickel content of the fittings is higher than the normal M33 run SS dagger and the lacquer used on the blued scabbard is different and of higher quality.

[11C]

I an with Red Baron on this one. ALSO, if anyone examines Eickhorn Himmlers and Rohms carefully, it will be noted that the nickel content of the fittings is higher than the normal M33 run SS dagger and the lacquer used on the blued scabbard is different and of higher quality.

Is the SA Rhom any different from the standard SA issue early dagger?

[Ron Weinand]

I have not seen this in SAs by Eickhorn. Remember, I have only observed this in SS Eickhorns, no other maker. It is far more noticable in Himmlers.

[DR DOLCH]

Himmler daggers are very different from other daggers of the era; if you had carefully read the responses in this thread you would have seen that. Himmler daggers are unique because they were issued to men who already possessed a dagger. Thus, they never wore the Himmler honor dagger, and simply put it away, where many remained for years and some until the collectible period. Just avoiding the daily wear, combined with having been put away creates a large number of very top end condition examples being available. They did not sit in drawers for 10 years, they were immediately placed in "drawers" and not touched for 80 years.

Second. You reference to Gau marked Type I daggers makes absolutely no sense. You have yourself, said that these daggers are period production in other threads.

You assertions are baseless and confusing.

Finally, if a Himmler could so easily be assembled and faked or whatever you are saying, why are you asking to buy on in the wanted section.....

I think better quality material to construck the dagger makes more sense.Do we really know what SS men did with their Himmler dagger? The Gau marked type 1 is the best example of my point.If all it takes is a Gau mark too make it post war then being made with left over stock of no gau marked crossguard would be undetectable from pre 1945 dagger.Lastly I own a non Gau marked type 1 also but do I really know when it was made. (see above) These points are just something to think about and may not be the opinion of the Dr.

[The Red Baron]

Himmler blades and grips were not made with any different materials. While it is possible that they may have had more lacquer or other aspects applied, there is no denying that lack of use explains the NUMBER of minty examples out there.

As to how we know what the SS men did with their daggers; the same we know how any group of people from teh past acted. Using context, documents, logic, etc. I have studied history outside the WWII context and every assertion ever made by a historian is based on these factors.

[DR DOLCH]

Himmler blades and grips were not made with any different materials. While it is possible that they may have had more lacquer or other aspects applied, there is no denying that lack of use explains the NUMBER of minty examples out there.

As to how we know what the SS men did with their daggers; the same we know how any group of people from teh past acted. Using context, documents, logic, etc. I have studied history outside the WWII context and every assertion ever made by a historian is based on these factors.

Why don't you give me a few examples to your statement above.Do you think a SS man would rather carry the dagger as a reminder of Rohm the traitor to the state rather then the savior of the nation Himmler from the traitor.

[The Red Baron]

Why don't you give me a few examples to your statement above.Do you think a SS man would rather carry the dagger as a reminder of Rohm the traitor to the state rather then the savior of the nation Himmler from the traitor.

As having studied this period specifically, I think that few SS men would have cared. Furthermore, Rohm was not in fact, nor in common knowledge the great traitor of the country as you say. You can find many examples of such things in my book, you may learn a few things about the SS.

Furthermore, considering that most SS men were not show the reverse side of these daggers out in public often, there was no real motive to wear this piece.

You can think what you what DR., but I think more experienced minds win out here compared to your barely intelligible line of thought. See Ron Weinand's previous statements.

[DR DOLCH]

As having studied this period specifically, I think that few SS men would have cared. Furthermore, Rohm was not in fact, nor in common knowledge the great traitor of the country as you say. You can find many examples of such things in my book, you may learn a few things about the SS.

Furthermore, considering that most SS men were not show the reverse side of these daggers out in public often, there was no real motive to wear this piece.

You can think what you what DR., but I think more experienced minds win out here compared to your barely intelligible line of thought. See Ron Weinand's previous statements.

So why did they execute Rohm? I just wanted a couple examples but I will take one if you have it before I buy your book to see the multitudes of examples that I am sure are in it.I thought I explained myself quite wellAlways remember when all else fails insult it shows how right you are

[JR.]

Himmler daggers were true honorary edged weapons. They were noted in an officers file, and Himmler kept track of some of the recipients himself. This is shown in files that were taken from his office. The late John Pepera had some of the documentation in his collection.

As being awarded by the Reichsfuhrer himself, one of these Honor Daggers certainly would had been a big deal for the recipient to receive. No doubt many awardees treasured these daggers and kept them tucked away for safe keeping. Rather than to wear them around on a daily basis. And true to today, the Himmler Honor Dagger is a prize that is sought after by many edged weapon collectors, some 70 years later.

[DR DOLCH]

What SS men did with their Himmler daggers is pure speculation.Here is another confusing statement for the easily confused.The Medal of Honor is the highest USA decoration do recipients keep them in a drawer? No they wear them.Then there is the SS honor ring did they keep them in the little SS box safe and sound in a drawer at home,it was given by Himmler and he had an official record of them also it was a honor to get one "Honor Ring"but you know what? They wore them.

[JR.]

Anyone could get an SSTK. Keep your nose clean, show up for work, 24 months.....you had it. They even gave them to non SS personel.

[DR DOLCH]

And daggers made by the "Thousands" in 1934 were difficult for some reason? The games on gotta go.

[JR.]

It's like I said, they are highly sought after by many 3rd Reich edged weapon collectors today.

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