Announcement

**Jean Pierre Redeuilh** · 05-25-2016, 09:15 PM

other fake rodo as pictured in the thayer article

Attached Files

**Jean Pierre Redeuilh** · 05-25-2016, 09:18 PM

AND

This one was not made in Hungary but in CZ Rep

Attached Files

**Jean Pierre Redeuilh** · 05-25-2016, 09:24 PM

this one was the latest rodo fake introduced on the market. Note an assmann design, a nicer finished back which was closest to a genuine rodo - but still not a genuine rodo

Attached Files

**DonC** · 05-25-2016, 09:39 PM

Thank you, JP - I can see the "tells" now.

Don

**Ric Ferrari** · 05-26-2016, 01:27 AM

Originally posted by Jean Pierre Redeuilh View Post

Matter of fact, the RODO (listed as RONDO), as surprising it could be, IS original (of course POR...)

If you know your stuff, you can buy by Snyder even.........I can assure it

Ric

**Jean Pierre Redeuilh** · 05-26-2016, 11:49 AM

Matter of fact, the first SS brocade with blue backing was coming from here. Indeed one has to really know his stuff but still good stuff once in a while.

**Jean Pierre Redeuilh** · 05-27-2016, 08:47 AM

Originally posted by J. Wraith View Post

Frank is one of many closet collectors who have been in this hobby far longer than most anyone on a forum board and to my knowledge is not a dishonest man.

So what?

Attached Files

Screenshot (8).jpg (77.6 KB, 152 views)

**Jean Pierre Redeuilh** · 05-27-2016, 08:57 AM

This is the "barred A Assmann buckle¨he is referring for his defense. Anybody collecting a bit SS buckles know it is a fake V chest.

Attached Files

**Jean Pierre Redeuilh** · 05-27-2016, 08:58 AM

.

Attached Files

**Jean Pierre Redeuilh** · 05-27-2016, 09:02 AM

Maybe this is his "field grey painted version".. Exact same crap: V chest fake. Can we see any similarity with an authentic SS buckle made by Assmann?

Attached Files

**Jean Pierre Redeuilh** · 05-27-2016, 09:09 AM

THIS is an original SS buckle made by Assmann. Heck of a difference, isn't it? (be careful very close reproductions do exist - but the V chest in Thayer's article is way far from that)

Attached Files

IMG_0048.jpg (199.7 KB, 188 views)

**blinky** · 05-27-2016, 10:07 AM

I'm not sure Mr. Thayer deserves a lot of sympathy, he was more than happy to write the intro to Douglas' (Stahl/Royster) discredited books....he must have know the type of people he's been dealing with.

**J. Wraith** · 05-27-2016, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by Jean Pierre Redeuilh View Post

So what?

So nothing, your upset because of an article by a closet collector, I don't know him and only of him. Kelly Hicks has zapped hundreds of thousands of dollars of market off the books with continual writings of books and certificates and I did not see you saying anything then.

One guy is a longtime closet collector of which many are coming out now, so all kinds of problems are showing up. The other a dealer who created a variant and increased his push for twenty years to stick it to collectors for 6-30,000.00 a pop, and now?. You want to raise a stink over belt buckles because you collect them. So your one of those guys who only speaks when effects him and that is fine but the reality is the whole market is a mess and much of it is gods with dealer badges.

Statement is accurate, I do not know him to be an dishonest man and the letter looks like he is sticking to his guns, same thing Kelly Hicks is doing so why such an uproar over Frank Thayer?. Is it not the same or worse? maybe a laser gun test for your buckles will make you feel better?. Don't tell me this is different, its like letting your brother in law rob a Brink's truck and turning around and arresting a guy for stealing a piece of pizza. Your a hypocrite, or unaware of your environment and lack awareness. One way or another I am not really feeling all that sympathetic to any cry babies at this point because they all stand idle when the crap hits the fan and do nothing, until the crooks come for them. Here they are, deal with it.

**J. Wraith** · 05-27-2016, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by Jean Pierre Redeuilh View Post

So what?

Jean,

Do you really write C.O.A's for dealers as an expert on buckles as Royster is saying?. And for Gottlieb?. Is this a service you charge for and do you trade in buckles?. I have no love for Royster but you certificate guys who also deal in items they certify are a much larger problem lately than some collector who got humped. I am fairly certain that these buckles utilized in this article were acquired through Royster so it should be no surprise where he is at on them.

I am a little tired of guys and certificates, certainly those that sell the same material they authenticate because it is a conflict of interest. If that is what you do then you have no business crowing at all because these pieces of paper with a fee attached are worth very little and serve to allow guys like Royster to operate in the first place, just off the dead bodies that used to write certificates and screwed people for the last 50 years.

Yes, it comes with my C.O.A or you can pay an extra 10.00 and get a C.O.A with your order... You know that there is a book full of bad CH helmets with C.O.A's out there, you know what their worth?. You know the guy that wrote them was untouchable for decades and literally controlled the market as his publications got fatter with Champagne decals, you would think that should have been a clue. He is not untouchable now, as a matter of fact most everyone I speak to has flipped and make him out to be a crook. Not just because of CH helmets but FJ, camo, and other deals. As one who does not collect buckles and who is aware of what go's on in just about every back yard regardless of what I collect, should I trust you?.

So, are you writing certificates for a fee?. I would certainly take your word over Royster not even knowing you and blindly on a single buckle, but if your a certificate peddler you are in conflict and part of the problem.

**Jean Pierre Redeuilh** · 05-27-2016, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by J. Wraith View Post

So nothing, your upset because of an article by a closet collector, I don't know him and only of him. Kelly Hicks has zapped hundreds of thousands of dollars of market off the books with continual writings of books and certificates and I did not see you saying anything then.

You are absolutely right. Even now I don't even know what you are referring to. Reason is exactly what you are saying later: no interest in any field of collecting other than SS buckles.

Originally posted by J. Wraith View Post

The other a dealer who created a variant and increased his push for twenty years to stick it to collectors for 6-30,000.00 a pop, and now?

It is NOT his creation. The V chest fakes are available and around since roughly 20 years. Kind of any buckle collector already know them. If he did create a convincing variant, it would had been smarter but IMO he is not that smart after all.

Originally posted by J. Wraith View Post

You want to raise a stink over belt buckles because you collect them.

Even if I do no longer collect, indeed you are perfectly correct. I have enough knowledge in this particular subject to fight this article non sense or the gogo Royster. even if I did not fight any other for another subject.

Originally posted by J. Wraith View Post

So your one of those guys who only speaks when effects him and that is fine

Indeed I speak when I have something to comment, stay silent when I don't. If tomorrow the Thayer/Royster connection writes an article on real or fake helmets or badges I will not comment (I will not read the article neither by the way).

Originally posted by J. Wraith View Post

but the reality is the whole market is a mess and much of it is gods with dealer badges.

I cannot change the market and I know it. Do not worry, I went to many Military Shows and was always wondering how some stands could be accepted as "respectable dealers". But if I can't change dealers at least I can educate some clever people from buying their goods when they are not original. Or at least I try.

Originally posted by J. Wraith View Post

Statement is accurate, I do not know him to be an dishonest man and the letter looks like he is sticking to his guns, same thing Kelly Hicks is doing so why such an uproar over Frank Thayer?. Is it not the same or worse?

So, we should just forget and say: I already saw that happening? That guy is not worst than the other? Of course he already happened. Of course there is worst people in the world making even worst damages than hurting collector's wallets! But is it a reason to stay sit and doing nothing when we can stop it from the beginning before it grows??

Originally posted by J. Wraith View Post

maybe a laser gun test for your buckles will make you feel better?.

Guaranteed I am not worried by [B][U]my[B][U] buckles. I am worried about what others will buy.

Originally posted by J. Wraith View Post

Don't tell me this is different. Here they are, deal with it.

This is exactly what I am doing: Dealing actively with them since 2001. Never stopped as for example that one made in ... 2009!

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=331817

Announcement

What's going on with Military Advisor Magazine?

Comment

Comment

Comment

Comment

Comment

Comment

Comment

Comment

Comment

Comment

Comment

Comment

Comment

Comment

Comment

Users Viewing this Thread