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**Ric Ferrari** · 05-21-2016, 01:32 AM

Originally posted by Jean Pierre Redeuilh View Post

And The website I submited the link, which is run and operated by Arthur D. Royster states a pompous "Seing through the fakes and forgeries". Should be a very very old man with a vision close to blindness... Real good commercial for the credibility of his website to promote such junk... By the way, no comment is showing since he screen them all....this is called democracy...for some.

JP's thread started at 19 april while Mr. Royster (or whoever is behind him) new web site at 3 may : interesting temporal coincidence.

http://www.adroystermilitaria.com/

Ric

**wilhelm Saris** · 05-21-2016, 06:13 AM

Originally posted by Jean Pierre Redeuilh View Post

By the way, no comment is showing since he screen them all....this is called democracy...

It is known at least one comment was send (stated by Kirby at the War Relics Forum). If Royster did remove it or them, he can't be trusted, isn't?

**brus** · 05-21-2016, 07:22 AM

Originally posted by Joda View Post

Just sent.
Unbelieveable. Imo an attempt to sell V chests as original.

Sent +1

Regards
brus

**brus** · 05-21-2016, 07:28 AM

Originally posted by Ric Ferrari View Post

Anyone offering opinions on militaria originality by forums or magazines has a great responsability since a lot of money change hands based on such opinions.

Our loved hobby is just a business for many people, a good reason to burn any bullsh*t pusher, no matter if in good faith or not.

Ric

**Jean Pierre Redeuilh** · 05-21-2016, 07:51 AM

Thank You Brus. We will see if it is showing. This makes at least 3 since I also left a comment yesterday just before submitting the link to both the WAF and the War Relics Forum. Less than two minutes after receiving the note than my comment will require moderator approval before been see yo the public, I received this message privately from Mr.Arthur D.Royster:

" Tell me, does your therapist know about your Internet activities? When you sit at your computer and, hey presto! become the Belt Buckle King for your friends on the WAF, are you wearing a Batman hat?
I must say that the color picture you have sent about of what you say is an "original RODO buckle" is one of the worst, and crudest, Chinese copies I have ever seen.
Given this, you ought to be immediately elevated to the post of 'Head Imperial Advisor' on the WAF.
Now that Gottlieb has returned to cruising the loos in San Diego, the vacant position he once occupied is longing for a suitable replacement.
I believe strongly in hiring the handicapped.
They are so much fun to watch!"

The most interesting point in his message is the "Chinese" lead. I submitted to Mr.Arthur D, Royster pictures of two original RODO's for his education, one been a Type one, the other a Type 2. Matter of fact one of the two is in my family since October 1944. I did not know we had Chinese SS divisions in France

The above message did follow that one:

"What nonsense. The Belt Buckle King does not like a box label and from this opinion, decided that belt buckles cannot be genuine is certainly having problems with intellectual deficiency.
The Thayer belt buckles are original.
Who gives a **** about the box?
This sort of idiotic thought process is typical of the ninnies who infest the "information sites."
No one is interested in your opinions and I am going to publish some of them in my discussion of the serious faults of the WAF and its babbling legion of "experts."

which was following that one:

"We are not speaking of boxes.
If you are ignorant enough to decide a buckle is fake because you do not like the label on a box, I suggest you are a typical feeble-minded type that infests the WAF.
I request that in future you find others to bother with your nonsense.
The negative information about you is clearly exposed on the Internet.
Take issue with them and find better things to do with your time than to annoy your betters.
Royster"

So, we should not expect ANYTHING else from such persons than misinformation, foul language, insults and furthermost, ignorance. I must add that he was able to convince Mr.Thayer to DO NOT retract his article. The author is now convinced of the pertinence of what he wrote.

So this is the main reason I want to continue to keep such thread alive. I want to warn as many collector or newbies I can about such published and now posted crap. Since 2000 I decided to go to war against fakers and rotten dealers by posting / writing, as widely I could, information how to detect forgeries. I try to provide the most up to date information I am able to know (even if I know way less than other reliable persons like Mr.Saris or Christian).

I would like if ANY and ALL of you could refer this link or the one posted in the War Relics Forum to as many as your collector's friends. NO ONE should trust this article, NO ONE!

**wilhelm Saris** · 05-21-2016, 07:57 AM

Hello JP,

the article is now shown at War Relics Forum, where I also quoted an answer from this Royster-person. I did not give a comment, but mailed him personally.
What an arrogance he spreads!

About the text for the box: Dold would know where they lived. Their accuracy they are known for with the manufacturing of enameled wall plaques. They
surely would know the difference with Offenberg and Offenburg. This is not a "typo". They also will have known in what state they were located!!

**Jean Pierre Redeuilh** · 05-21-2016, 08:01 AM

...And before I pops up somewhere due to the lack if investigation skills of some ignorants, please know that my name is, and always been, Jean-Pierre Redeuilh.

Jean-Pierre is a very common first name. It is not a last name. I updated my profile many years ago to, for once, do not hide my true identity, but also to do not have any confusion made with an American dealer having that first name as a trade mark.

Most persons are not making any confusion but obviously some still do. So please remember that I do not have a Militaria business and never had.

**Jean Pierre Redeuilh** · 05-21-2016, 08:06 AM

Originally posted by wilhelm Saris View Post

Hello JP,

the article is now shown at War Relics Forum, where I also quoted an answer from this Royster-person. I did not give a comment, but mailed him personally.
What an arrogance he spreads!

About the text for the box: Dold would know where they lived. Their accuracy they are known for with the manufacturing of enameled wall plaques. They
surely would know the difference with Offenberg and Offenburg. This is not a "typo". They also will have known in what state they were located!!

Merci!!

**Jean Pierre Redeuilh** · 05-21-2016, 11:36 AM

My yesterday comment using Christian input is finally posted and answered as well. Recived notification less than 10 minutes ago. Here it is:

” On 16 December 1951, Württemberg-Baden, Württemberg-Hohenzollern and Baden voted in favor of a joint merger via referendum. Baden-Württemberg officially became a state in Germany on 25 April 1952.” So, how could a state formed only in 1952 could be appear on a supposedly pre-1945 box?"

The issue here is not markings on a box but the authenticity of the RODO SS enlisted buckles shown i Dr. Thayer’s Military Advisor article. Perhaps the writer would like to comment on the type face or the color of the box instead of addressing the buckles. This sort of confused obfuscation is typical of the types that flock to the Wehrmacht Awards Forum. And there is no question whatsoever that the RODO buckles in the Thayer article are absolutely genuine to the period.

**Jean Pierre Redeuilh** · 05-21-2016, 11:56 AM

And of course my answer which I do not know will be one day posted or not:

"But isn't it written in the article: "Acquiring the name and address of "RODO" on an actual shipping container is a unique contribution to knowledge of the company and its product" ??
I do agree with the above sentence but the box been now accepted as a forgery, what value does it bring to its content? Any serious collector of buckles for the SS should recognize the so called "V chest" fakes produced since the 90's in East Europe. Don't you?"

I have to apologize to All for my dual post in both the WAF and the War Relics Forum but this is the only way I found to get more people to be concern by this large intoxication, probably to make profit for some.

**blinky** · 05-21-2016, 01:38 PM

http://groundupnmsu.org/septemberoct...demic-freedom/

Kind of makes you wonder if Thayer's friend Douglas is actually Royster...... or even if they are one in the same.

Read the email from "Douglas" to Alan Dicker near the end, does the style and content look familiar?
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**blinky** · 05-21-2016, 03:13 PM

And a quick search on the site:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru....php?p=4767242

So you have Thayer who worked with Gregory Douglas to produce a piece of absolute trash. Douglas, as it now appears is the same as Royster (one of several names).....so communicating back and forth with Royster/Thayer is just a waste of time.

What a train wreck.....

http://www.thomaswictor.com/jew-hati...l-peter-stahl/

**Ric Ferrari** · 05-21-2016, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by blinky View Post

http://groundupnmsu.org/septemberoct...demic-freedom/

Kind of makes you wonder if Thayer's friend Douglas is actually Royster...... or even if they are one in the same.

Read the email from "Douglas" to Alan Dicker near the end, does the style and content look familiar?
.

Originally posted by blinky View Post

And a quick search on the site:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru....php?p=4767242

So you have Thayer who worked with Gregory Douglas to produce a piece of absolute trash. Douglas, as it now appears is the same as Royster (one of several names).....so communicating back and forth with Royster/Thayer is just a waste of time.

What a train wreck.....

http://www.thomaswictor.com/jew-hati...l-peter-stahl/

Thank you, now all is clear !

Ric

**wilhelm Saris** · 05-21-2016, 04:42 PM

Originally posted by blinky View Post

Thayer who worked with Gregory Douglas to produce a piece of absolute trash. Douglas, as it now appears is the same as Royster (one of several names).....so communicating back and forth with Royster/Thayer is just a waste of time[

Is this correct? Read Roysters website about who he is. Is that "put together"?

**Brian George** · 05-21-2016, 06:19 PM

I thought Royster was a cutout for Prosper Keating? Or is it WC Stump?

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