Where is Barkmann's Corner???

[angella]

He may have not been a party member (or maybe he was) but I bet he took this oath:
"I swear by almighty God this sacred oath:
I will render unconditional obedience
to the Fuehrer of the German Reich and people, Adolf Hitler,
Supreme Commander of the Wehrmacht,
and, as a brave soldier,
I will be ready at any time
to stake my life for this oath."

At least he survived to be "mistreated". My uncle was gunned down in an open field by a group of "heroes"

Was he on Timor too, when the Indonesian invaded?

[DwightPruitt]

There is evidence that "Barkmann's Corner" is a wartime myth. There were only two units that advanced down the road that Barkmann claimed- Troop A, 4th Cavalry Sqn, and Combat Command B, 3rd Armored Division. 4th Cav didn't have any Sherman tanks, but lost 2 M5 Stuarts, 2 M8 Armored Cars, and 6 Jeeps to enemy fire. Combat Command B lost no Shermans on that date, and both units were not significantly held up and accomplished their objectives thatday.

[Frankenland-Dan]

Please, might do well to stick w/ collecting – what I see here is pure speculation and conjecture (less “Babyteeth)!

[DwightPruitt]

I'm sorry you feel that way, but the simple fact remains that no unit near "Barkmann's Corner" lost a single M4 on 27 JUL 44. The 4th Cav losses are detailed above. CCB 3AD AAR, cites no medium losses on that date. Both units reached Marigny by nightfall, well south of Le Lorey.

[PresidentEvil]

Stop necroing old threads. Just let them die in peace.

[djpool]

Here is a good thread on Barkmanns corner. The 3AD isn't the only formation that was in the area:

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...6ef45661ee0955

The fog of war certainly applies to any combat action. This action has certainly been examined in deltail and many folks it happened. I haven't seen any convincing evidence it didn't.
WR Jim

I'm sorry you feel that way, but the simple fact remains that no unit near "Barkmann's Corner" lost a single M4 on 27 JUL 44. The 4th Cav losses are detailed above . CCB 3AD AAR, cites no medium losses on that date. Both units reached Marigny by nightfall, well south of Le Lorey.

[Frankenland-Dan]

Sorry there Dwight (sure you’re doing good work), just meant that politics was once again flung to the forefront of an interesting thread (the discussion of one guy letting lose some 75mm shells and the apolitical discourse ends!).

[Schnellmeyer]

It's sad to see some of the post that have been put up on this thread , people posting rubbish and not knowing their facts . We are all here to help ( well I hope so ) and having met Ernst at his home in Northern Germany many times I can you the event did happen . For those here lucky enough to have met Ernst I am sure they will also have seen his photo albums , these photos speak for themselves .

[Fritz]

I'm sorry you feel that way, but the simple fact remains that no unit near "Barkmann's Corner" lost a single M4 on 27 JUL 44. The 4th Cav losses are detailed above. CCB 3AD AAR, cites no medium losses on that date. Both units reached Marigny by nightfall, well south of Le Lorey.

We have discussed that before here on the forum, I am too lazy to search though, and photographic evidence shows that allied armor of a different type than you have listed up had been knocked out very close to Barkmann's location.

If memory serves right it was a knocked out M10, an M10 could well be mistaken for an M4 sherman.

Cheers

[DwightPruitt]

Here is a good thread on Barkmanns corner. The 3AD isn't the only formation that was in the area:

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...6ef45661ee0955

The fog of war certainly applies to any combat action. This action has certainly been examined in deltail and many folks it happened. I haven't seen any convincing evidence it didn't.
WR Jim

That's the thread that piqued my interest originally. Looking at the daily loss reports of the U.S. units involved, there can only be two possibilities:

Barkmann engaged, on the day and location he claimed the action occurred, a Cavalry Troop (+) which lost 2 M5 tanks, 2 M8 HMC and 6 Jeeps, which is close to the number of "tanks" he claimed to have knocked out, with no fighter-bomber attacks in the area and the advance held up a total of 15 minutes
or,

one day later, and much further west than the N172, supported by 3 other Panthers from 2 SS and a StuG IV from 17th SS, engaged the 745th Tank Battalion in support of the 1st Infantry Division, which lost a total of 4 M4, with the advance held up for a few hours.

Neither of which fits the "Barkmann's Corner" story.

[DwightPruitt]

We have discussed that before here on the forum, I am too lazy to search though, and photographic evidence shows that allied armor of a different type than you have listed up had been knocked out very close to Barkmann's location.

If memory serves right it was a knocked out M10, an M10 could well be mistaken for an M4 sherman.

Cheers

The M10 could have been from the 634th TD Bn, which lost 2 M10 on the 28th, the day after. For the sake of argument, add the M10 with the 4 lost M4 tanks of the 745th TK Bn. Where does the other 8-9 claimed M4 come from?

[Quatsch]

"Der Stern von Afrika", 1957, starring Joachim Hansen and Marianne Koch.

A good movie for lw afficianados. They used Spanish Air Force aircraft, the Me109s and bombers however had Merlin or other non-original engines as I recall.