i found these pics in my files from a recent eban auction ,since were on the subject i thought i would post the pics
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Hi together, Greetings from Germany
I'm working since 1985 about the RAD-Abteilungen.
2009 I will publish the book by Biblio-Verlag in Germany with 3 volumes, every volume with more than 500 pages, without pictures - only text with small letters. It is like a Tessin for the RAD.
I have all RAD-camps with the history from 1933 to winter 1942, and nearly complete from 1943 to 1944, with some holes.
And this is the background for my statement: there was never a camp 4/ 305 in Braunschweig, there is not a place "Braunschweig" in Bavaria, because the pin said: 305 - and this is a RAD-Group in Bavaria.
This is the short example of:
4/ 305
Markt Oberdorf, 1934, 02.1935, 01.1937, 10.1938.
Ehrenname "Wendelin Hippler".
from my book.
And this is a short example of:
3/ 204
Himmighausen, 1934, 10.1935, bis 02.1936.
Ehrenname „Iburg“.
I think the difference is clear.
The only real pin with real history is the 3/ 204.
There is only one option: old Assmann pins with 4/ 305 are real as a prototype for marketing in the RAD between end of 1933 and beginning of 1935.
After summer of 1935 all badges of the RAD are restricted from the Reichsleitung of RAD in Berlin. There were complex licensing procedures.
Please compare it with a SS-cuff title with a new name of a not existed SS-division.
Every collector in the hole world would scream about this dump fake.
And this is another part of the difference: all SS-Divisions are well known.
Every collector has books and originals like water in the sea.
But I'm only 1 man and my book - the first book about the RAD-Dienststellen is not ready yet.
summary: only the 3/ 204 has a real history.
most of the 305 pins are fakes.
But my very old pin of 305 is so good - that I would say: old prototype for marketing. I have bought the pin 1990, but he is much older.
The white enamel has more grey, the ears are more like the 3/ 204.
And last: I have no picture in my more than 20.000 picture collection of RAD from 33-38 with a wearer.
I think, there is no end of discussion - its a shaggy-dog story. I know so many sales men in Germany with cries: Its real, its real - lets sale this in the U.S. or Italy.
And this is the real ground of the story: there are to many freaks in the world
there sole opinion is: I want also a cool nice looking Nazi pin with swastika.
I'm only a historian. But behind every pin from enamel and metal is a history.
MichaelComment
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Hi Michael,
Thank you for the explanation & I look forward to the release of your book. May we see an image of your 305 badge so that we can see the differences?
Cheers
DonComment
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I second that. Reverse and obverse please. Thank You Robert
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Hallo together,
here are my pins.
First my Braunschweig Pin:
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Hi,
here are a very rare pin:
Rhin-Luch Kosak 1936
The Rhin is a river and a moor in Brandenburg, Arbeitsgau IX.
Only 1000 men are working 1936 near the Rhin.
What do you think, how many pins can exist today.
I have seen this pin 1 time in my life and I bought it.
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and now a FAKE
I have bought this 1994 in Germany
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Now a private pin from Brandenburg Reichsarbeitsdienst for Women.
I name this "Reservistika".
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Michael,
thanks for posting that added information,it is a very imformative thread! i cut and pasted the other forum members pins next to the one you posted as it will be easy to compare deatils this way-Don the 2 you posted are first,i just woke up and im still a little groogy so i really have not compared details (it to me a while to figure out how to edit and resize the pics togeteher in one image!)what do you guys think of the side by side comparison?Michaels in on the left Dons 2 pins are on the right side-Last edited by Radcollector; 10-06-2007, 09:12 AM. Reason: horrible spelling and grammer errors,sorry its early!!!Comment
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heres Roberts (right side) compared with MichaelsLast edited by Radcollector; 10-06-2007, 09:40 AM.Comment
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here is Georges next to Michaels-Comment
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from what i can tell when i was editing the pics,Don yours seem to be identical to Michaels,Roberts front looks similar but the "3" in the date is different and Georges front is obviously different (the swastika doesnt touch the sides) and his "3" in the date is different (it looks the same as Roberts "3")anyone notice anything else from the side by side comparisons?Comment
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Hi Yancy,
I too have been comparing the images, (I have many in my archives of these badges).
Apart from colour which can be down to lighting as we know (just look at the two sets I posted of the badges on page 1, same badges different lighting), I can't see any real differences. It's hard to see in the pasted comparison you have just posted but if you look back at the larger images shown throught this post, the fonts used on both the obverse & reverses are the same, showing the same die characteristics i.e the elongated S in Gesch & the distance between the letters in Ges. Also, one thing I've noticed about fakers over the years, especially with enamel badges is that they never can quite copy the obverse fonts properly, letters tend to be peculiar to their dies. Notice the letter "u" in Braunschweig, the right side ends short or lower than the left, the first "E" in the word Arbeitsdienst has a slight kink in the top arm present in both Michaels & most of the other badges posted in this thread.
My conclusion here would be that Michael's badge & all the others on this thread (apart from George Stimson's which is totally different
) are from the same set of dies, some tiny differences but we also have to remember that the enamel was hand applied & the badges hand finished. However that still doesn't prove to us unfortunately whether they are period or later fantasy pieces. If Michael feels that his one is a prototype which sort of fits in with Cone's theory that they were produced but not issued, then I assume that the others shown here were also part of that batch.
There are some very poor fakes of these (see below) obvioulsy based on these prototypes, but of the ones shown above I don't think we shall ever really know
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I forgot to thank Michael for sharing his knowledge & badges with us, thank you
Here are a couple of definite fakes......
Cheers
DonComment
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Another bad'n......Comment
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