Reichssieger 1944

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[douglynn]

very nice now i am not 100 per cent sure but the face is very familiar,was it from toby,if not then i have a pic or doc very similar,to your boy i am not at home at the moment so cant look? could this award allso have been given to girl hj members?

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[Richard]

Strictly speaking Richard, that is incorrect. The Kreissieger was the winner of the Ortswettkampf. There were only three levels in this competition: Ortswettkampf, Gauwettkampf and Reichswettkampf. Those who produced the best overall results during the Ortswettkampf were awarded the Kreissieger badge and accompanying winners document. This was decided by a Kreis-level Committee. Kreis winners were then eligible for the Gau-level competition and then obviously the Reich competition if they won at Gau-level.

You can see that the winner in the example below is Kreissieger in the Ortswettkampf. My boy took part in the Ortswettkampf in his town but was ultimately beaten to Kreissieger by another entrant within his Kreis.

So the progression is:

best in town (ortswettkampf) goes forward for consideration for Kreissieger at county level and ultimately becomes the best from all towns within his county (Kreissieger im Ortswettkampf).

I am taking my information from Axmann's 'Der Reichsberufswettkampf' (published 1938) mainly and other sources in general.

Hope this clears things up.


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Now I'm more confused than ever. I'd actually never noticed that on the Kreissieger documents before. The 1938 and 1939 Gau and Reichs level docs say "nach vorbildlichen Leistungen im Gau/Reichswettkampf" but the Kreissieger docs state nach "vorbildlichen Leistungen im Ortswettkampf". The Reichssieger document for 1937 pictured in this thread, however states that "nach vorbildlichen Leistungen im Orts- und Gauwettkampf" and makes no mention of the Reichswettkampf. I'm not at home right now but want to take a look at the Kreissieger and Gausieger docs I have there to check the wording on those. I guess what is confusing is that the winner of the Orts competition gets a Kreis badge but for the Gau or Reichsbadge, these are awarded for the Gau and Reichs competition.
Richard V

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[douglynn]

i am well pleased its yours, outstanding items,i did see them on his site but money was a bit tight for me at the time,well done

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Cheers Doug

[Richard]

The 1937 document is showing the progression through all stages. After winning at Kreis and Gau-level, this boy was 'berufen' or 'called to' Munich to receive his award. It doesn't need to mention that he took part in the Reichsieger competition because this is clear further down the document.

To be honest, no matter which year such a document is for it will say Kreissieger, Gausieger or Reichssieger. The stages a winner went through to get there were always the same regardless of what the wording on the document is.

edited to correct a word

Xen, your 1944 Kreissieger document makes no mention of Kreissieger unless I have overlooked it. were the 1944 documents just different in that respect on the Kreis level?
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[Richard]

Xen, so the 1944 document is not for a winner of the competition but a participant and only the winner would receive a document showing them as Kreissieger? Sorry to sound so confused.
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[Richard]

Thanks Xen, that clears up a lot.
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