Hitler uniform

[der-hase-fee]

The projected estimated price made by everyone's favorite "expert" to sell "Hitler's personal copy of Mein Kampf" fell on its face so I doubt more items will be for sale for awhile lol.

~$30K for a "plain 1932 Mein Kampf edition bearing Hitler's book plate" ain't bad. I wonder how many of these are being kept in collections all over the world ...

[Johnny R]

GOOD POST ...DON"T like the furher he"s a "A!@#$"...AS some members state ...well go collect barbie dolls ...marbles...roller skates ...pez ...star wars ..ninja turtles ...cow turds ...lol ...EC

For the future- it is spelled "Führer".

[dave peifer]

The last photo in the link shows the interior and the Holters logo and sweat shield.
The lettering looks all off and out kilter. The shield itself doesn't look like celluloid but modern plastic.

The whole grouping was known to be stolen from Lieber and then showed up with Roger Steele. Roger, a notorious faker was rumored to have made 'a set or two' extra.

I'm no expert, but I been around for a long time.
For me, the two points above, plus who's selling it today, makes me want to say....

-wagner-

i remember roger steele and hearing he had more than one of the visors replicated.......dave

[mrec27777]

For the future- it is spelled "Führer".

YES..typing in haste ...causes mistakes ...SORRY ...just hope i gots mys points acrosses ... EC

[Johnny R]

I fully understand. No worries there.

[blitzkrieg gsd]

Wags thanks for the info on the dealer making a couple extra sets. That's exactly what I was looking to hear. I had a feeling that something like that May have been the case. Do you know if anyone bought any of the replicas? Also I figured the same thing about the inside of the visors. They had to be worn a lot I would expect to see some wear in them. I understand he wasn't doing a lot to sweat in them but again all his meth use would cause him to sweat a lot lol.

Jon in your opinion would his blood order be number 1? And if he had one or two of them would they all be number 1? Have you ever ran across a identified blood order to a guy that had more then one and they were numbered the same?

[Glenn McInnes]

Jon in your opinion would his blood order be number 1? And if he had one or two of them would they all be number 1? Have you ever ran across a identified blood order to a guy that had more then one and they were numbered the same?

Here are some articles on them. http://germanmilitariacollectibles.c...ood-order.html







Glenn

[BrianK]

~$30K for a "plain 1932 Mein Kampf edition bearing Hitler's book plate" ain't bad. I wonder how many of these are being kept in collections all over the world ...

Would like to know where this is being offered for sale for $30K?

[Johnny R]

Offered for sale with all the puff and crap afforded to it for months with an estimate from a "historic expert"

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...163523241.html


The bookplate and 50 cents will get you two quarters.

[Serge M.]

Wags thanks for the info on the dealer making a couple extra sets. That's exactly what I was looking to hear. I had a feeling that something like that May have been the case. Do you know if anyone bought any of the replicas? Also I figured the same thing about the inside of the visors. They had to be worn a lot I would expect to see some wear in them. I understand he wasn't doing a lot to sweat in them but again all his meth use would cause him to sweat a lot lol.

The Roger Steele (Hollywood Military Hobbies), connection to the Hitler Artifacts thefts was known at the time.
This is taken from a long letter by a early collector who as a kid wanted to buy the whole grouping from Lt. Leiber back in the 1960's;

>>About 1975 plus or minus while Watch Commander (Day Shift Lieutenant) I received a letter with pictures from a man named Roger Steele in California wanting to sell me the Silver Hitler Box that I immediately recognized as Lieber’s box along with some other Hitler and Goring items. I was immediate suspect and contacted the police department in California for a records check of Roger Steele. They said that it was too long to send by teletype and said they would send it by mail. They sent me a box that contained a copy of a rap sheet that weighted about a pound. Roger Steele was an alias (don’t recall his real name) and he was guilty of burglary, theft, fraud, robbery, counterfeiting, possession of stolen property, fencing and many other felonies. They said that presently he was known to be buying stolen real expensive Nazi relics and having them reproduced in China and selling them as originals. Later I heard at the Houston Gunshow that Lt. Lieber had been burglarized and all his Hitler items had been stolen. Then I heard that Mohawk Arms in New York had bought them. I don’t know if they bought them from Roger Steele or someone else. If they bought them from Roger Steele did they buy the real ones or China fakes???
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Dissecting a Fraud - AD Royster Militaria
Newsletter March 19, 2014 No. 144
Newsletter March 15. 2014 No. 143


Nothing new here. Seller trying to snag a Moby Dick 'Whale' collector who has Mega deep pockets and a burning desire to have The Tops, and who 'believes'.
The problem is Steve Wolf has had the grouping for years and all the whales swam by, and not one bit on it due to the Roger Steele chain of provenance, and obvious 'anomalies' in the hat and tunic as pointed out in the Royster article.

However, there are new whales out there these days...and all you need to do is sell it once.

Roger Steele was notorious in 'state of the art' fakes, back in the day. All the old timers knew him or heard of him.

-wagner-

[blitzkrieg gsd]

Thank you Wags that just what I'm looking for. That's the kind of info I was hoping to hear from a experienced collector. I knew that it just had to have something that wasn't rite with it. You know how sometimes you get that feeling something's not rite? Well that's how I was feeling when I saw it at the show. No one I talked to had or would share the info on this famous con man. His involment with the group and his known action of having fakes made in China is scary. That throws salt on the whole thing. How could you ever think about paying millions for a group with that in its history. I just don't think I would be sleeping at nite with thought on my mind. Guys passing up the group back in the day that tells me a lot to. Don't sound like those guys back then had any faith in it either. And I have to think they were closer to the truth as far as know the chain of events the group went threw.

Now what about the Wolf Hardin connection? I have never dealt with them personally but I have heard they are top notch. And deal only with the best of items and offer a guarantee on what they sell. And I have looked at there tables at the SOS and they are full of top of the line pieces. So it's kind of strange for me to think they would pay for something they didn't have confidence in. Now it's possible they got such a deal it was worth the chance. But that's hard to believe to me to so its a tricky thing. I just keep going back to the money thinking is it a chance worth taking. The only way I could see it would be it being so cheap you couldn't pass it up.

[chen]

That folk at the right died in 1976. Before that, China was a closed country.
I have great doubt that someone can make an adventure in going to China before that time to have fancy fakes made.

[Don Bible]

I fully agree with Mr.Chen. In 1983, I traveled across China from the border with Outer Mongolia in the north to what was then called the New Territories in the south, and I never saw anything at that time that would indicate such a deal would have been possible.....either through access to the proper people...or the technology to perform such work.

[chen]

If there are any high quality fakes , then at least after the this folk( who decided to open up the country)'s era.

[Sharkey1807]

I fully agree with Mr.Chen. In 1983, I traveled across China from the border with Outer Mongolia in the north to what was then called the New Territories in the south, and I never saw anything at that time that would indicate such a deal would have been possible.....either through access to the proper people...or the technology to perform such work.

I am just reading by .....
What you forget is back then Hongkong was China but open while controlled by UK.