A couple of Cultural items

[Steve T]

If the sword is also included in the Libra symbol then you probably right.

but the crucifix is in the exact shape as Christian types.
No mistaking that one.

Yes, no mistaking a crucifix.

Edit: The sign does have a sword.

[Thorsten B.]

Thank you again for all of your positive feedback in regards to my SS birthday candleholder.

The relevant historical source in regards to the 14 candles in use on this one can be find in the SS Family book on page 45 and 46.

This is just a much more luxurious and elaborate version of an SS birthday candleholder.

[Thorsten B.]

More details - this piece is actually full of symbols:

[Vid]

here's a SS candleholder..

That was one incredible and built like a dam tank.

[Capt. R]

Thank you again for all of your positive feedback in regards to my SS birthday candleholder.

The relevant historical source in regards to the 14 candles in use on this one can be find in the SS Family book on page 45 and 46.

This is just a much more luxurious and elaborate version of an SS birthday candleholder.

Now that this thing has had a pseudo-vetting, it can be sold on estand!

[Thorsten B.]

OK - more details of this beast:

[Thorsten B.]

And a last one:

[Thorsten B.]

Don,

Sorry - it´s not for everybody.

[Michael Fay]

SS Familie book does not describe your item

Thank you again for all of your positive feedback in regards to my SS birthday candleholder.

The relevant historical source in regards to the 14 candles in use on this one can be find in the SS Family book on page 45 and 46.

This is just a much more luxurious and elaborate version of an SS birthday candleholder.

O.K. so this is your final proof it is SS? then you still have a problem.
You can never prove this is an SS item from all your evidence (so reluctantly) given on page 45-46.
FOR THOSE WITHOUT THIS ORIGINAL BOOK: it is page 55 in Ulrics translation of the "SS Family."

the only thing similar is that there is a birthday celebration that calls for 14 candles and or a wooden ring(geburstag) that all 14 candles could be set in.

So...the candle holder you show is NOT described in the SS=Familie book.
So...The SS=Familie book states the 14 candleholders/candleabra set is for celebrating the childs birthdays in which gifts are given to the child at the candle lit celebration.
A big problem for you is that the book states this candle set up is for the children to attend and get gifts...ALL the the while, the candles are to sit on the sacred Family chest. How many family chests for Germans were in Norway?
I would think: none.
Another problem as I see it with this information is : the SS Man's extended family was not in Norway as a general rule, was it?
The children were in Germany proper.
And as for those who married Norwegian woman...the children sure would have been few...and tiny infants and it is not understood that the new SS religion was popular with non -Germans, especially Scandinavians,etc.
in fact quite the opposite in Norway from what evidence there is..
So, from the information you have provided (with such reluctance), you can not prove any definite SS tie in.

Why do you persist in calling every Germanic item of furniture and hardware you find at the local flea market and estate sale as being SS without enough evidence?

ALmost no one else on WAF in any forum declares anything is SS without having some actual evidence to back them up.
Do you feel special?
it is destroying the hobby.

[Matthäus Klein]

i don't have this book Michael, and i appreciate the clarification. it seems fishy here, again, Thorsten

andreas just sold a very nice candleholder i missed and he didn't call it ss or sa or anything other than its German and from the 30's; he did not make any reference to Reich nor SS/SA. ..

don't get me wrong, i appreciate the post Thorsten, but do not reference it to SS without adequate proof, and send off to e-stand for a quick sale, as Don points out.

lets keep it real

[Matthäus Klein]

That was one incredible and built like a dam tank.

i want one

[Thorsten B.]

Yeah - we have had more than 100000 hits by now!

Sorry guys,

My SS birthday candleholder is still not for sale.

[Steve T]

nice cultural piece indeed

Maestro, is it yours? If so please tell us how its made.

It looks like the SS circle and runes are made up of 5 pieces of metal , the circle and then two pieces of flat bar with one end of each cut on a 45 degree angle and welded together to form each sigrune, am I correct?

Also, is it all wrought iron or is the circle runic emblem in steel? From the pictures it looks like two types of metal.

[Capt. R]

i don't have this book Michael, and i appreciate the clarification. it seems fishy here, again, Thorsten

andreas just sold a very nice candleholder i missed and he didn't call it ss or sa or anything other than its German and from the 30's; he did not make any reference to Reich nor SS/SA. ..

don't get me wrong, i appreciate the post Thorsten, but do not reference it to SS without adequate proof, and send off to e-stand for a quick sale, as Don points out.

lets keep it real

Couldn't have said it better myself!

Some people are still awake on here.

I wish this thread would get closed down since it is no longer used for scholarship - only a staging area for a load of rubbish to be sold as authentic ss items.

As Michael says, it is destroying our hobby and making cultural items the brunt of militaria collecting jokes for people who just don't "get them."

[Michael Fay]

Being neutral is taking a stand

Couldn't have said it better myself!

Some people are still awake on here.

I wish this thread would get closed down since it is no longer used for scholarship - only a staging area for a load of rubbish to be sold as authentic ss items.

As Michael says, it is destroying our hobby and making cultural items the brunt of militaria collecting jokes for people who just don't "get them."

CaptR, not only that,
I feel that some others on this thread are quietly being complicit with this knavish enactment of multiple frauds, simply by acting as if it is not happening.
He sets up a "pseudo vetting(as you say)" and others with more integrity (or simply percieved integrity?-they sure dont ever take a stand against it) act as if there is nothing off kilter and so when the problematic item is put up on estand, buyers see these other thread contributors continuing to banter with this fraud as if he is not selling misrepresented pieces .

just like Switzerland in WWII :
If you want to be neutral-then you have taken a stand to let this continue