3 Deutscher Orden in one lot!!!!! Rarest of The Rare

[ErichS]

Among other things, you can see the differences between real and fake in the details of mini Fuess style badge in the center.

[NBolinger]

suval back

This the back of a suval and the back of a original accepted type in tomback

The Suval had a separate enamel disk wit hitlers signature on the back, the originals are flush. The at the eagle heads on the suval cross

[NBolinger]

more pics

more pics

[NBolinger]

3rd class star

the 2nd one is a suval 3rd class star pictured earlyer in thred, i owned this cross at one time. The top is a original example that sold for 67000 euro kind of funny a class that was never awarded brings that much money.

[NBolinger]

German Order

Here are comparasion shots of a REAL 1st class and a Suval 1st class

[NBolinger]

medal

Cased suval and a original 1st class

[NBolinger]

party pin

party pin shots

[NBolinger]

more pics

more pics
top one real bottom fake

[NBolinger]

real fist class

Hear are two original 1st class crosses, there are only maybe 10 pictures on the net of originals there are a few more pics in past threds also of original 2nd class examples. The back and the front, the crosses are different.

[NBolinger]

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others

[NBolinger]

other real 1st class

other real 1st class

[Chris Obermeyer]

The link posted by Leroy showing a third class cross German Order was not made by Souval. That is not silver and Souval never made German Orders with the incorrect silver lettering. The oak leaves around the cross lack details, real bad repro.

All crosses posted by Bolinger are fakes. The cross on post 225 is a Souval repro. Take a good look to the enamel construction. Even with pictures without the nescessary quality, it´s easy to tell that the enamel work on Souval repro is a lot better. The reason for that is that Souval made these decorations with one of the original dies made by Deumer.

Bolinger said:
“ The Souval had a separate enamel disk with Hitler´s signature on the back, the originals are flush”
- And by new books and with wartime pictures you can prove that, can you? Please tell us where to find accurate, published information that proves without a doubt your information is a fact!
Also, please, tell me which construction is the most elaborate? Please tell me which one can be more easely duplicated?
Notice that all crosses you say they are authentic, are also identical, and like I said there are thousends around. Don´t you think that this fact by itself is a little strange since no more than 20 were made? The cross you said it was sold in a famous German auction is a fake. That was made by the same person who made the others. I hear he is from England.
By the way, Deumer was the only maker comissioned and authorized to make German Orders. Stories of German Orders made by S&L for example are not true.
C. Obermeyer

[der-hase-fee]

Good morning, Chris. What time is it in Vienna ? About 1:30 AM Monday, Oct. 10, 2011 ?

[Thorsten B.]

"The cross on post 225 is a Souval repro."

NBolinger states that in the very same post 225 already by himself!

So what´s the point?

You have a lot of questions and no based answers.

You state that NBolinger shows no evidence for his presented arguments.

I ask you:

Where is your evidence for your arguments?

Name the books, the titles, pages - normal scientific work, give it a try.

[NBolinger]

Obermayer

Obermayer. The enamel in the party pin in post 225 looks like junk compaired to the accepted originals that i have pictured, just look at the red it looks cheap to say the least, you cant see any of the pebbeling under the enamel like you can see on the original partypins. Pluse the eagle heads whats going on with those eagles beaks! Are they smoking a cigarettes or maybe there chickens? The eagle heads are the first clue that tell me these suval fakes are a joke, there are hundreds of these suval fakes out there just like this one in #225.
The pictures i posted are some of the only pictures of originals out there, there are a few more on the site but thats it, no way there are thousands of these types out there that is totally false.
How many Big militaria shows have you been to, ever been to Kassel, the Max or the SOS? How many of these suvals do you think are out there 500 maybe a 1000, i bet you cant find anymore then ten pictures on entire net of my type of accepted cross.
Obermayer i have some books comeing to me soon where i hope i can prove what im saying and give you some real facts buy real experts. Why dont you post pics and prove us all wrong until then or are you to scared?
Obermayer you may very well be right about suval haveing a extra set of dyes from deumer, if these suval fakes are from a original deumer dye they would prototype dies, the germans would never let a eagle like that get out of the factory.