3 Deutscher Orden in one lot!!!!! Rarest of The Rare

[Jon. H]

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[Jon. H]

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Preis auf Anfrage must translate to "how much you got boy????

These are near the top in terms of striking looks.

[Leroy]

Has anyone seen or heard of this before?????

[Jon. H]

I have never seen that kind of oaks and swords to the this order.

[Jon. H]

Well, when i think about it. I have seen it somewhere else, but i can't remember where?

[Leroy]

I have seen the golden oakleaves to the KVK RK in gold (Jason Burmeister), but not these before. Prototype? Fantasy?

[Jon. H]

I'm also thinking prototype or fantacy,
maby we should ask Dietrich Maerz?

I have asked im, He had never seen those before.

[Dietrich Maerz]

I have never seen such a set before but that doesn't mean anything at all. I have never even begun to study the political orders and would not know anything about them.
I was also not aware of the oaks to the RK of the KVK until I saw them and the paperwork that came with it. And that was impeccable.

I would think that Helmut Weitze knows what he is offering.

[Jon. H]

Yes i belive that Weitze knows what he is doing.

[Leroy]

Dietrich,
Based on what you can see, what do you think of the construction of these O&S compared to the ones for the RK?
Best,
Leroy

[Robin Lumsden]

According to 'INFO' magazine of December 1988, the type of oakleaves and swords shown here was the type presented to Reichsarbeitsfuehrer Hierl.

I think this particular set came from Hermann Historica.

[Leroy]

That is very interesting, Robin, and thanks for that information!

If these O&S were silver, I wonder how they would be received?

[ErichS]

The only complete cased set which includes all the Orders along with Gold Party badges that I have seen belong to Wolfe Hardin. The story goes that a Vet brought them into a gun shop in the early 60's to sell.

[Mark Costa]

I have been studying this award for almost 30 years now. The Knights Cross style oakleaves and swords was indeed a prototype style first presented to Hitler back in early 1942 or late 1941. That design was rejected by Hitler. RAD Chief Hierl was NOT presented with this type of award as stated above. His award presented in February 1945, would have looked like the standard First Class as presented to Todt and Heydrich, both of which photos appeared at the time in period newspapers and magazines. There are, in fact, several other "prototype" styles in existance that were also rejected. One has the swords passing through the arms of the cross, another is completely different as the cross arms are RED in color instead of Black. And yet another style seems to have been a Grand Cross breast star which has never been verified as a period piece.

Mark Costa