The Coburg Badge

[Erich B.]

So these badges 1st type are not made by the same maker but show the same similarities.So they can be confirmed as genuine ? Because taking a look at three badges owned by Erich S,Erich B,Bob Hritz they're completely different and for such a small amount awarded I personally would have thought you would find some that match.So personally I would not want to own one even less so the second pattern's but if you like them that's all that matters.

Type 1s are made by one maker.
Erich

[JK53]

Type 1s are made by one maker.
Erich

So can you explain the different pin set up's on all three badges ? Are they replacement ?

[Gary B]

The 1st and 2nd pattern had different pin set ups. The 2nd pattern had a more robust pin arrangement since the 1st pattern pin/catches often broke. Many 1st patterns you see have replaced pins.

Gary B

[JK53]

The 1st and 2nd pattern had different pin set ups. The 2nd pattern had a more robust pin arrangement since the 1st pattern pin/catches often broke. Many 1st patterns you see have replaced pins.

Gary B

Your not answering the question on the 1st type badge shown by these three Erich S,Erich B,Bob Hritz the pin set up is different.So are they replacements on all three or is Bob's the only original pin set up ?

[Gary B]

Erich S' pictured badge is now mine and has a replaced pin and catch. Erich B's appears to have a replaced pin. Bob H has two 1st patterns (1 with the shallow behind the sword) and another standard 1st pattern both with original pins/catches. His other pictured is a 2nd pattern.

Gary B

[chen]

Erich S' pictured badge is now mine and has a replaced pin and catch. Erich B's appears to have a replaced pin. Bob H has two 1st patterns (1 with the shallow behind the sword) and another standard 1st pattern both with original pins/catches. His other pictured is a 2nd pattern.

Gary B

[JK53]

Erich S' pictured badge is now mine and has a replaced pin and catch. Erich B's appears to have a replaced pin. Bob H has two 1st patterns (1 with the shallow behind the sword) and another standard 1st pattern both with original pins/catches. His other pictured is a 2nd pattern.

Gary B

So can you explain what appears to be a little box which the catch sits on ?

[chen]

[Erich B.]

It's a small piece of sheet metal. It was easier and safer for a jeweler to solder the catch to the metal rectangle and solder that to the back of the badge.

The pin on mine looks the same as Bob H's type 1 but the catch on mine is repaired or replaced.

Erich

[Stan]

I contacted Stephen (WAF member “sjl”) and asked him what he thought the reason was for the 2nd. Pattern Coburg badges not to have the M/ prefix before the RZM stamp. As you probably are aware, Stephen probably knows more about RZM than any other forum member.

His opinion is that these 2nd Pattern Coburg badges were probably produced and stamped in the period after the RZM regulation had come into force but before badge makers had been issued a number. He also thought that badges held in stock might also have been retro-stamped with the RZM stamp.

If correct, that would solve the mystery.

Stan

[Br. James]

Hi Stan,

Thanks for sharing Stephen's response to your question regarding the RZM, and I completely agree. The organization that became known as the "RZM" came into being in 1929 and it took several years -- and the accession to national power of the NSDAP -- for that organization to fully develop it's processes and it's licensing categories.

Br. James

[Erich B.]

According to Clyde Davis, in his "Handbook of RZM Codes, Volume 1 Metal" 1975, page 10: "..the so-called "standard" or "normal" pattern for RZM codes did not come into use until March 1935. Prior to this and the earlier form (MA, Sy, KH, etc. ) some pieces were marked with the company name only and no code, some with only the RZM mark and no code, some with a code number but no prefix (M1, M2, erc.). This would tie in with Stephen's suggestion, so we can assume the badges with the RZM mark/RZM mark with number only were made before March 1935.
Erich

[Br. James]

Spot on, Erich, as is/was Clyde Davis!

Br. James

[salzmann]

There is another one on Weitzes Website.

[Military]

Weitze's piece is at 10k euros.

Mil