The Coburg Badge

[ErichS]

Very interesting indeed, Erich! Does Ludecke give any reason for how these non-recipients were able to obtain CBs to wear?

Br. James

No James, the interesting thing is Ludecke received his questionnaire while being held in prison. He wrote that his witness were Rosenberg, Hitler and Graf, haha. He gave no info on how the badges were acquired by those officials. Like I said, the same problem seemed to also happen with Blood Order holders because they were sent questionnaires as well, I think in 1938.

[Br. James]

Hhhhhmmmmmmm!? Thanks Erich. I suppose that, then as now, there have always been those who choose to go completely 'outside the box' in order to get what they want! In the case of the BO, the awarding of the Second Issue badge made it at least possible for 'upwardly mobile' Nazis who were not present at the Putsch to wear that esteemed badge and march in the annual parade to the Feldherrnhalle (people such as Martin Bormann -- and it is also interesting to note that his brother, Albert, whose NSDAP membership was one digit earlier than Martin's, apparently never pushed to get onto the Second Issue BO honorary list). But this was not possible with the CB as that esteemed award was made only once. If you didn't get one at that time, you were out of luck! One wonders what sort of 'strings' needed to be pulled and/or 'palms greased' to be able to secure an unauthorized CB or a BO...or dare I say, a GPB?!

Br. James

[transvision]

are there any attributed first pattern coburg badges in collections?

[transvision]

so i guess that means there are none that are attributed??

[Jon Fish]

so i guess that means there are none that are attributed??

Or it might just mean that people haven't had a chance to reply yet as you only asked 2 days ago and people do have lives away from WAF, I know its hard to believe!
As discussed already they are not numbered or named so an attributed one would be hearsay or direct from a grouping etc but no way to prove a badge belonged to anyone specific.

[ErichS]

Transvision,
Jon is correct ragarding it being difficult attributing a badge to a certain person although Hermann Historica auctioned off a named badge and I have seen an example with a name scratched on the reverse. With that being said, if you read post 641 you will see the probable reason why there was no need to number these badges.

[transvision]

thanks for that. do we know who the one auctioned at hermann historica belonged to.?

[ErichS]

thanks for that. do we know who the one auctioned at hermann historica belonged to.?

Think it was Ludwig Schmied.

[ErichS]

This Coburg poster was spotted at the SOS on a big name dealers table. This poster is the same basic design as mine but no where near the detail or coloring.

[ErichS]

Here's another shot of my poster to compare.

[Br. James]

AMEN to that, Erich -- yours is quite a beauty! The piece from the dealer's table at the SOS show resembles a generic piece that was made to have further relevant information added to the bottom. Such generic posters can still be seen as advertising pieces for circuses, carnivals and touring concerts, where the date and place is added in each city or town. I like the chained swastika border, as well -- it calls to mind the ceiling designs seen in the HDK portico in Munich and in the lobby of the Zeppelinwiese Tribune in Nuremberg.

Br. James

[ErichS]

AMEN to that, Erich -- yours is quite a beauty! The piece from the dealer's table at the SOS show resembles a generic piece that was made to have further relevant information added to the bottom. Such generic posters can still be seen as advertising pieces for circuses, carnivals and touring concerts, where the date and place is added in each city or town. I like the chained swastika border, as well -- it calls to mind the ceiling designs seen in the HDK portico in Munich and in the lobby of the Zeppelinwiese Tribune in Nuremberg.

Br. James

Good point James, the poster at the show could very well have been unfinished example void of color etc. By the way, the seller wasn't giving it away!

[JoeW]

This is an enormous and informative thread. I must confess that I haven't followed it fully as I have not been lucky enough to add a CB to my collection. So if this information is repetitive, please forgive me.

While searching for some info on the gold DAF membership badge, I chanced upon the regulations found at the end of each Org Book describing the various laws and ordinances regarding the party. In a section dealing with the law protecting the insignia, badges, uniforms and accessories of the NSDAP, I found a special exemption for the CB, the SA Sports badge, the RPT 1929 and the 1931 SA Treffen. For everything else associated with the NSDAP or its affiliates, one had to be a member of the party or an affiliate to wear the item or face fine and possible jail sentence. But in the case of the CB and the other badges mentioned, this requirement was waived. So one could have participated in the march at Coburg, but then withdrawn or retired from the SA, but still have the legal right to wear that badge. The other badges could also be worn under similar circumstances.

[ErichS]

Intersting Joe, a good example of this exemption is Sister Pia who let her membership lapse and did not qualify for the GPP. She thought that due to fact that she was awrded both the Coburg Badge and Blood Order she no longer had to pay her dues but as we know, she kept and continued to wear both awards.

[ErichS]

Found this on the web. Does anyone know what this document refers to?