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    oh it's a cigar case!!!! LOL

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      Interesting to note that Johann Singer was the Treasurer of the early DAP and he died in 1938 a year after receiving this cigar box. It's easy to see why he might have been honored during the celebration.

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        What a wonderful artifact this personalized cigar box is! Like you all, this is the only example of such an awarded piece I've seen.

        While I am aware that Johann Singer was both a BO and a CB Trager, I am unfamiliar with him as being "the Treasurer of the early DAP" and have quickly looked for any reference to him...but to no avail. Where does your reference to him as Party Treasurer originate, Erich? He was not mentioned by Hitler in MK.

        Again, a wonderful piece!

        Br. James

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          Originally posted by ErichS View Post
          Interior.
          That box is a masterpiece.

          Depending on it´s size I bet it is not for Zigarren but for Zigarillos.

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            Originally posted by Br. James View Post
            What a wonderful artifact this personalized cigar box is! Like you all, this is the only example of such an awarded piece I've seen.

            While I am aware that Johann Singer was both a BO and a CB Trager, I am unfamiliar with him as being "the Treasurer of the early DAP" and have quickly looked for any reference to him...but to no avail. Where does your reference to him as Party Treasurer originate, Erich? He was not mentioned by Hitler in MK.

            Again, a wonderful piece!

            Br. James
            Hi James,

            the info on Singer comes from the book:

            Hitler's voice:
            Organization of the Nazi Party
            By Detlef Muehlberger

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              Many thanks, Erich...I was unaware of the book, "Hitler's Voice." If possible, could you provide any further detail about Johann Singer from Mühlberger's book, such as the dates he held the position of Treasurer of the DAP, anything about whether Singer was the very first Schatzmeister (I realize that the DAP only existed by that name from 1/1919 until 2/1920, just 13 months), and who his successor in that role was? (Franz Schwarz did not become Treasurer of the NSDAP until the re-establishment of the Party in 1925.) I know this is a tall order and will understand if your time will not permit further research.

              Thanks again, my friend,

              Br. James

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                is it really real?

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                  Originally posted by Robert H View Post
                  is it really real?
                  The engraving is really good, the question is does the Coburg badge belong there and is the badge an original. There is the rub as catalog pieces did not necessarily use original and identifiable insignia from originating items, while this is not a catalog piece I would think they would break a badge to do it. Its speculation given the award but just applying the cost of the box and the overall quality you have to default to the embellishments, and if that badge is not real I would have pause.
                  Last edited by J. Wraith; 04-17-2014, 09:42 AM.

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                    Originally posted by J. Wraith View Post
                    The engraving is really good, the question is does the Coburg badge belong there and is the badge an original. There is the rub as catalog pieces did not necessarily use original and identifiable insignia from originating items, while this is not a catalog piece I would think they would break a badge to do it. Its speculation given the award but just applying the cost of the box and the overall quality you have to default to the embellishments, and if that badge is not real I would have pause.
                    I think it's the real deal and the badge is most likely a facsimile because it doesn't make sense to use a real badge on an official presentation item such as this.



                    James, here is more info on Johann Singer:

                    1869-1938
                    Joined party in 1920 and was Treasurer until 1923
                    1930-34 leader of NSDAP section Schwabing
                    1933-38 Munich town councilor
                    Took part in both the battle of Coburg and the Putsch
                    Party # 58 (1920)
                    BO # 33
                    Last edited by ErichS; 04-17-2014, 05:44 PM.

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                      Wonderful information; many thanks for taking the time to put it together, Erich!

                      I was aware that Singer's NSDAP Membership Number was 58 and my presumption is that that number represented his membership in the post-2/1925 reorganization of the Party, since DAP/NSDAP numbers prior to the Putsch contained a minimum of three digits -- Hitler's being #555.

                      Thanks again, my friend, and I wish you and yours a joyous Eastertide!

                      Br. James

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                        This early political sketch is entitled "Sieg in Coburg."I don't have a source but maybe someone here can help.
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                          Umbruch im alten Coburg

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                            Dear Erich and Andreas,

                            Great sketches! Where do they come from -- are these part of a post card series, or perhaps pamphlet or newspaper illustrations? What is the origin of the presumed captions: "Sieg in Coburg" and "Umbruch im alten Coburg?" From the style of the illustrated SA-Mann's uniform, both sketches appear to be from the very early 1930s...perhaps they come from a publication associated with the 1932 commemoration of the tenth anniversary of the Battle of Coburg?

                            Very nice indeed!

                            Br. James

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                              As always, extremely informative and thoroughly fascinating.

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                                Need to collect one.

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