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    #76
    Originally posted by pimberg View Post
    Hi Mark,

    The Walter Harzer you have identified on two photos is actually Hannes Gohler. However Harzer is on the very right of one photo.
    I stand corrected, see a different angle of Göhler earlier in the thread

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      #77
      Originally posted by Mark C. Yerger View Post
      On the left Heinz Macher (Oakleaves) and to the right is Heinz Harmel (Swords) standing with Frau Harmel. Lenggries 1985 or 1986 (I forget)
      Hello Mark

      Nice thread. The guy between Macher and Harmel could be Max Schafer (post 3). I'm not 100% sure.

      Regards

      Erwin

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        #78
        Barkmann and me

        Me and Ernst Barkmann during our visit tour through the Ardennes back in 1991. The Panther 401 belonged to 116th pz div and is still present today in Houffalize.

        I visited him regulary in Kisdorf untill he died in 2009

        Interested in all E. Reitz Uniformwerke items.

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          #79
          You must have had some great converations. What amazing memories.Jacques

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            #80
            Werner.. great ...!

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              #81
              Originally posted by Erwin L View Post
              Hello Mark

              Nice thread. The guy between Macher and Harmel could be Max Schafer (post 3). I'm not 100% sure.

              Regards

              Erwin
              It's not Schäfer, I took the photo myself at a "DF" Treffen

              Best wishes,
              Mark

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                #82
                Thanks for the clearance

                Regards

                Erwin

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                  #83
                  Erich Hartmann (Oakleaves, Swords and Diamonds) when I visited him at his home in 1988.
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                    #84
                    In my view, Hartmann got older in much worse shape than some other veterans. Just don't know if it was a consequence of his10 years long tenure in Siberia or his heart condition that plagued him in later years. Or both.

                    Nice picture of the all time biggest fighter ace in his twilight years.

                    Douglas.

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                      #85
                      Originally posted by Douglas Jr. View Post
                      In my view, Hartmann got older in much worse shape than some other veterans. Just don't know if it was a consequence of his10 years long tenure in Siberia or his heart condition that plagued him in later years. Or both.
                      He also likes to drink - he was even drunken once when meeting Hitler to receive another award...

                      When I was in the army, a comrade met him while taking a ride in a bus (from the station to the base). Hartmann was on the way back from a cassino - drunken...

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                        #86
                        Originally posted by Gran Sasso View Post
                        He also likes to drink - he was even drunken once when meeting Hitler to receive another award...

                        When I was in the army, a comrade met him while taking a ride in a bus (from the station to the base). Hartmann was on the way back from a cassino - drunken...
                        In October 2009, I had a meeting in Germany with a retired Colonel of the Bundesluftwaffe, Starfighter pilot, who once was under Hartmann's command. He had a very low opinion of him, stating that his way to command was to boast his accomplishments during the war. This Colonel also knew Rall, Barkhorn, Krupinski and Steinhoff during their tenures as commanders in the Air Force, and said that they were all better leaders than Hartmann.

                        Anyway, I'm not beating a dead horse, just sharing a point-of-view I had access to.

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                          #87
                          Hartmann was on the way back from a cassino - drunken... ..









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                            #88
                            Very interesting insights.
                            In some biography about him I had read it is mentioned that he didn't want to return to military service after his release from Russian POW camps. He would prefer to start a brand-new career, maybe in medicine, as his father. However, he was too "old" to come to return to university. The military career was an easy and fast way to get a job.

                            I'm not scorning his deeds as a fighter pilot during the war, which I always will admire. But there was a man behind the medals and pictures, and its history in the postwar years might be interesting as well.

                            Douglas

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                              #89
                              Left: Karl Kreutz (EL and GC with Art. Rgt. "Das Reich")
                              speaking with Hans Hauser (last Rgt. "Der Führer KC)

                              Fritz Langanke with KC (Pz Rgt. "Das Reich)
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                                #90
                                Oberst Fritz Fechner

                                Photos of Panzer KC winner Fritz Fechner taken in July 1959 with US General Eddleman.
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