Attached per Moderator Durante's request, I am posting closeups of the C hook on the flight tech badge, plus additional pics of the reverse of both flightbadges. I would point out that even a large medal house like Juncker would purchase reverse hardware from outside suppliers, rather than make it in house.
As to the issue that the tech flight badge is a "casting" I will point out the following problems with casting an enamel badge.
It is easy to cast a military badge. Use the lost wax process, and out comes a reasonable copy of the original badge, only smaller because of the laws of physics that two objects cannot share the same space at the same time. The casting per the laws of the universe must be smaller than the original. Again, the measurements for both flight badges are identical.
To cast an emamel badge is another story completely. Obviously, it is easy to cast an original civil pilot badge, and it will create a reasonable copy of the outlines of the original badge. The casting will not reproduce the enamel.
To reproduce an emameled membership badge, or a NSDAP Party Badge, or the Civil Pilot badge, or any such badge, the reproducer must remove all of the enamel from the original badge, just leaving the empty cloissones or compartments that used to be filled with the enamel design.
This removal of all the enamel would have to be done to be able to make a casting of the original membership badge.
After the forger has the empty original badge, he can now make a casting. Now the reproducer has to fill in with the relevant glass powder the original design that is now in his casting and fire the enamel different times due to the different tempatures that each color fires at. This type of enameling is called champlevé enameling and is goes back to ancient history. A design is cut into metal and the enamel is placed into the design.
However, the casting no matter how well done, will still be measurably smaller than the original object. There is no way around this. Maybe Brian S can explain to us how the measurements are identical to each other, if the RWS badge is a casting. I'm not even sure what RWS stands for? What do you say Brian? How could the measurement be identical, and what do the initials RWS stand for?
It would make more sense to remove all of the enameling from the civil pilot, and then through computers and lasers and 3d printing or whatever, to re-create a brand new civil pilot die, fresh off the lath.
Then the mesurements would be identical to the fake new die, and the original, denuded of enamel, mother master civil pilot die.
But then, as I pointed out, after going through all that major trouble, the faker instead of forging a beautiful blue and gold civil pilot badge that sells for at least a grand, the guy creates a totally different member's enamel badge, that is unknown, and sends that out to the world with a non-standard maker's mark.
This makes no sense whatsoever. I'm sure that my argument will go nowhere in this Forum, but I try anyway.
As to the issue that the tech flight badge is a "casting" I will point out the following problems with casting an enamel badge.
It is easy to cast a military badge. Use the lost wax process, and out comes a reasonable copy of the original badge, only smaller because of the laws of physics that two objects cannot share the same space at the same time. The casting per the laws of the universe must be smaller than the original. Again, the measurements for both flight badges are identical.
To cast an emamel badge is another story completely. Obviously, it is easy to cast an original civil pilot badge, and it will create a reasonable copy of the outlines of the original badge. The casting will not reproduce the enamel.
To reproduce an emameled membership badge, or a NSDAP Party Badge, or the Civil Pilot badge, or any such badge, the reproducer must remove all of the enamel from the original badge, just leaving the empty cloissones or compartments that used to be filled with the enamel design.
This removal of all the enamel would have to be done to be able to make a casting of the original membership badge.
After the forger has the empty original badge, he can now make a casting. Now the reproducer has to fill in with the relevant glass powder the original design that is now in his casting and fire the enamel different times due to the different tempatures that each color fires at. This type of enameling is called champlevé enameling and is goes back to ancient history. A design is cut into metal and the enamel is placed into the design.
However, the casting no matter how well done, will still be measurably smaller than the original object. There is no way around this. Maybe Brian S can explain to us how the measurements are identical to each other, if the RWS badge is a casting. I'm not even sure what RWS stands for? What do you say Brian? How could the measurement be identical, and what do the initials RWS stand for?
It would make more sense to remove all of the enameling from the civil pilot, and then through computers and lasers and 3d printing or whatever, to re-create a brand new civil pilot die, fresh off the lath.
Then the mesurements would be identical to the fake new die, and the original, denuded of enamel, mother master civil pilot die.
But then, as I pointed out, after going through all that major trouble, the faker instead of forging a beautiful blue and gold civil pilot badge that sells for at least a grand, the guy creates a totally different member's enamel badge, that is unknown, and sends that out to the world with a non-standard maker's mark.
This makes no sense whatsoever. I'm sure that my argument will go nowhere in this Forum, but I try anyway.
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