Fliegererrinnerungsabzeichen

[Pieter Verbruggen]

Das Fliegererinnerungs-abz.

To who it may be of any use here are my personal findings on this extremely rare, but sad looking bird.

First of all there is NO doubt if this badge existed or not.
It was introduced on 26.may 1936. And there is a picture of it in the wartime book of Dr.Doehle.

I will only dicuss the C.E.Juncker produced badges, in buntmetall or in aluminium.

C.E.Juncker has produced two slightly different types of this badge ( and I don't mean the cut, or non-cut out legs).

The first type is rather flat produced badge, with less detail on the chest of the eagle and typical here is " the dot" representing the eye of the eagle. Also the eye brow on this badge type has an angeled look.
This type is shown in Detlev's book on page 518,and in Dr.Doehle's book on page 115.
No doubt on this type consernig originality.

The second type( and I believe of a slightly later date of production), is a little thicker, with a much more detailed eagle chest and whreath. Here you got also a more detailed eye, and an eye brow without the angle in the curvature.
This type is posted by Bill Stump in a buntmetal version, and by me in an other thread in the extremely rare aluminium version.
The originality is unquestionable of this type.

I have personaly seen and handled 2 of the first type and a few of the second type, and of this second type only one in aluminium.

These are my personal findings on this rare badge. It's very rare to find one but there are surviving examples of it in collections, documented or not.

Today there are very close copies on the marked but compared to known originals the miss the Juncker feeling....

Pieter.

[Philippe DB]

Dear Pieter,

Thanks for your thoughts on this badge.

The fact that you limit yourself to the Juncker badges doesn't mean that you don't accept the existance of other types by other manufactures or of zink badges I presume.

KR
Philippe

[Frank Heukemes]

Here is the badge once blessed by Detlev. A simple zinker.

Cheers, Frank

[François SAEZ]

I will take the initial post from Philippe and really hope that he has enough to take a final decision for his badge as it was the first purpose of this thread.


François

[jgarcia]

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[jgarcia]

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[François SAEZ]

John,

If I understood well, NOBODY contest that this badge has ever existed but only that with the few info available it is difficult to say if one is ok or not, especially when, as Pieter has mentioned, good copies exist.

[Philippe DB]

Hi François,

Yes, I certainly got more than enough feedback to take a decision. Just imagine everybody getting this advice when thinking of buying there next IAB.

But than again I think I posted my question at the right moment and although nobody ever steped forward it certainly looks like there are a lot of people still left with a couple of questions relating to this award.

For now I decided not to buy the badge, basicly because I'm not feeling 100% confident with the type but also because I think a Juncker marked badge would be the better choise. Taken in to account the rarety of these badges the best thing is probably not to look for them and just wait untill the right one comes allong. I always like to believe that my best deal still lighs ahead of me.

And finaly I think this would be "the" award to end your collection days with. Kind of "sammlungserinnerungsabzeichen", and since I'm a life time member I'm sure you'll all share that day with me.

Thanks to everybody for your help and advice, on and off-line

KR
Philippe

[stogieman]

Agreed!

Hallo Pieter, thanks for weighing in. I agree with you, Juncker badges definately have a "feel" about them.. & your experience is appreciated. Frank, thanks for the "educational posting", that must have been awhile ago?? I don't remember Detlev selling one. Frainchie-boy, your moderating skills and direction was great and of course, much thanks to Phillippe, for tossing the hat in the ring.
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I have watched many long, drawn out postings in the forums for a long time, even before joining. I have to say that this one has been one of the most thought-provoking and interesting, factual discussions I've seen in awhile.
Soooo..

Thanks to all for participating....

Thanks to Seba for the format!

I've learned a bit here!

[Raymond]

Here is the one I have.It's zinc and has no cutouts in the legs or swastika.I believe it's a good one,but as we've seen with my pilot/observer badge,I've been fooled before .
Ray

[Raymond]

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[John T]

That one looks like a beauty!

John

[Skipper Greenwade]

The exampleof this rare bird (pun intended!) I have in my collection is of the first type described by Pieter in his post. Here's the obverse:

[Skipper Greenwade]

And the reverse:

[Brian S]

For now I decided not to buy the badge, basicly because I'm not feeling 100% confident with the type but also because I think a Juncker marked badge would be the better choise. Taken in to account the rarety of these badges the best thing is probably not to look for them and just wait untill the right one comes allong. I always like to believe that my best deal still lighs ahead of me.

And finaly I think this would be "the" award to end your collection days with.

How funny, that's what I always felt about this one. Right down to the Juncker, zinc would be fine...