In a market economy, people can charge whatever they want, or whatever the market will bear. This is a very nice goblet, case closed. Having said that, I'm still looking for the goblet awarded to my uncle, Hauptmann Dr. Albrecht Ochs, in October 1940 for actions over the channel. The finder will be handsomely rewarded.
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Items are only worth what people are willing to pay for them. Will someone pay this???? I dont care what kind of profit people make. However, these kinds of things are why I as a teacher will never be able to afford one. I guess thats life.
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Thank you for all the replies on this thread. To me, this was an interesting window into the psyche of my fellow collectors. Now is the time for all those responders (and it was nearly unanimous) to step and help Martin with that well earned profit and buy this piece from him. As you have said, it is a great deal and there is nothing wrong with a little profit.
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I got $5 on it!!!! For .o6%
Just a little more to go
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Well, in case nobody noticed..and focussed on E-stand.
E-stand worked fine in the beginning, but now we can see what the buying today-selling 2 days later with quite some profit brings..
Pages of un-sold goodies.., guess the people are getting tired of this invented "free market " behavior and the "1000nds" of small dealers..
The majority buys and almost immediately sells, because a new item popped up and something else has to go that only saw the collection for 2 days..
The " me want.."!! is spread in all directions and every item they sell has to cost more and all this in a very short moment of time..
This isn't called inflation, it's ruining a hobby, but as I have noticed.." who fawking cares.."?
What's the use of a E-stand with over the top dealer prices ?
Monkey behavior..
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Bill .... You know me ... I would have jumped on this one along time ago ... but I already have 3 and therefore don't need it ....Originally posted by Bill W. View PostThank you for all the replies on this thread. To me, this was an interesting window into the psyche of my fellow collectors. Now is the time for all those responders (and it was nearly unanimous) to step and help Martin with that well earned profit and buy this piece from him. As you have said, it is a great deal and there is nothing wrong with a little profit.
I think that's the second most commonly phrased response
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Bottom line is the bottom line... It would have been best to see the goblet go first to someone who really wanted it for their collection, sorry, but the profiteer thing is sleezy.Originally posted by Jos Le Conté View PostComment
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I agree.., regardless the " bende zeikers " we're according some " I almost bought it " people..Originally posted by Brian S View Post
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Originally posted by Brian S View Post
I agree. It is encouraging that a few others feel this way. I would have liked to have seen the goblet go to someone who really wanted it for thier collection, rather than being used as a trading chip to turn a quick profit. But except for the last few posters, nealy everyone who posted on this thread thinks I am just crazy for thinking this and that the action was not only fine, but what everyone SHOULD do. Sleazy is a very good word to describe it.Comment
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Bill,Originally posted by Bill W. View Post
I'm with you!
Don't let this bunch of SLEAZY profiteers get you down! They'll attack full force you you if you threaten their income.
But what do you expect from people who wheel and deal to make a quick buck from Nazi collectibles.
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Jeez! This goblet is gonna be the most famous in the collecting history.
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Bill, I wanted to be clear, that I'm with you. This part of my previous post was a clumsy attempt at sarcasm.Originally posted by bigschuss View PostTo heck with new collectors! I also scored a nice LAH group last month. I'm thinking about breaking that up for a profit as well. = $$$$
While I wouldn't go as far as "sleazy," I do think some of the things that this thread addresses are not in the "spirit of the E-stand" or our hobby. Whatever that means???
What did we all do before the internet?
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Dear Bill,
Have you not read Martin's postings? He stated he bought the goblet one week and something else came along a week later that was more in line with his collecting interests so he is selling the piece to pay the new item off. Even if he bought it to flip for a profit SO WHAT. He was smart enough to see an item that was underpriced and had the luck, and money, to pick it up.
The price is the price. It is the market value of the piece. He is not gouging anyone with a ridiculous price. What he paid for it and when he bought it are immaterial. Why do you think as a collector he is obligated to sell this to another collector for less than market value? When you sell your collection are you going to sell everything at 70% of its value?
Do a search on the internet. I found 3 Alpaca goblets for sale on 2 different sites. They were all between $4500 and $5000 USD, and all were "average" goblets awarded to NCOs. This is a wonderful goblet to an RK recipient who went on later to achieve Flag rank in the new German AF.
As for others who complain about pricing; there are many thing I would like to have in my collection that pop up for sale on the e-stand that I can not afford. I don't hold it against the seller. I don't expect him to give me a hand out. I don't ask him what did he pay for it and when did he buy it, and please give me a break because I am a collector and not a dealer. I either pay his price or I pass.
The only reason we are having this discussion is that you know what he paid for the piece and when he bought it. Everything else on the e-stand could have been found in a garbage dump yesterday and is being sold for a profit. Are we going to start requiring sellers to post what they paid for a piece and when they bought it. What determines how long a person can hold on to a piece before they can flip a profit, what is considered a good profit. Just because someone got something cheap are they supposed to sell it below market price??
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We drove around looking for people to cut off and run over obviously ...Originally posted by bigschuss View PostWhat did we all do before the internet?
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The price is not the issue. I do think it is a little high for an Alpaka goblet, despite being awarded to a RK recipient.
Flipping a piece simply for profit is the issue. Martin states he did not hold it for one week, he held it for three. That makes a HUGE difference
. This piece was bought specifically to flip and denied another collector, who would have actually enjoyed it for what it was, a nice piece at a good price. Now we have a dealer priced piece that is being used as a trading chit, rather than a historical object which could have been enjoyed and researched by a collector. What a shame.
Knowing how a piece was acquired is important. Would the price be irrelevant if it was stolen? How about if it was "bought" from an unsuspecting vet for $5? The manner in which this was bought and immediately flipped is disturbing to me. Apparently most everyone else not only thinks it is okay, but applauds it. Yet none of these people have stepped up and paid Martin his "well earned profit" by paying him for the piece. Why? They are saying one thing and doing another.
I have bought some pieces at good prices. The vast majority are still in my collection. But those pieces that I sold, I passed on those good deals to other collectors. I guess this would not be as disturbing to me at all if Martin had actually bought the piece because he wanted it, and needed to sell it for his other purchase (which is what he says- yeah, right) at a modest profit, benefitting both himself and the actual collector. I think doubling the price of a piece in a couple of weeks is just really poor form. i don't think that anyone begrudges someone a profit in anything, but this is what I would call outrageous. I mean if the guy just resold the piece even for a $2K more, it would have been a good deal for a buyer, he would have pulled a profit for his "other purchase", and it would not have looked nearly as bad.
Let's see if it sells and all the "collectors" here step up and buy it, as they have said it is a fair price, they like it, and there is nothing wrong with doubling the price in a few weeks. At least that is what they have said.Comment
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