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**Stan** · 08-30-2007, 04:36 AM

Luftwaffe Honour Goblet

Ian,

I know, he's been on the case for me....

Stan

**kris simoens** · 08-30-2007, 04:36 AM

Stan have you ever tried getting info from the Deutsche Dienststelle ? They can be reached at the following website: http://dd-wast.javabase.de It's not free anymore, each copy is 8 euro I believe but if there is something that can be found they will find it. Best regards, Kris Simoens.

**Stan** · 08-30-2007, 04:50 AM

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Thanks Kris, I'll give it a go.

Stan

**Ian Jewison** · 08-30-2007, 05:05 AM

You might be lucky with WASt but you tend to need a name, date and place of birth!

It might be worth looking through the index of any related unit histories to see if he is listed, however that could be fighter, bomber, recce, Stuka, etc.etc.

I have quite a few but I am not at home at moment..........

/Ian

**archi78** · 08-30-2007, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by Pierre View Post

Hi,

Oberleutnant Heinz Hartisch (pilot), honor goblet on the 18.05.42. I hope it helps

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Pierre

Hi.
It is more than enough

Thank you.

**VtwinVince** · 08-31-2007, 02:31 PM

Still looking for the Ehrenpokal awarded to my uncle, Hauptmann Dr. Albrecht Ochs, October 1940 for victories during the BoB. The poverbial needle in the haystack....

**vova1966** · 09-04-2007, 10:15 AM

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I have its Pokal and documents. Who can tell a history of its life?

**Stan** · 12-19-2007, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by kris simoens View Post

Stan have you ever tried getting info from the Deutsche Dienststelle ? They can be reached at the following website: http://dd-wast.javabase.de It's not free anymore, each copy is 8 euro I believe but if there is something that can be found they will find it. Best regards, Kris Simoens.

I just wanted to say that I have finally tracked down Oberfeldwebel Lothar Tiekenhenrich who was born on 29.09 1915 in Lerbeck and died in 1973. He was bomber pilot during the Battle of Britain and flew Heinkel 111's. This info cost me €8 from WAST. Thanks to Kris and Ian for their help.

Stan

**Wilco Vermeer** · 10-06-2008, 06:20 AM

First some data on
Leutnant Hans Witzel: 5./Jagdgeschwader 27
Was awarded the Ehrenpokal on 2nd February 1943 (date on the goblet is the date that is on the Verleihungsurkunde and is the actual awarding date). The awarding was published in the Ehrenliste der Luftwaffe on 15th March 1943. This is rather late (mostly only a maximum of two weeks, but notuncommon). The dates in lists like in the book of Patzwall on the Ehrenpokal are the dates that the awarding was listed in the Ehrenliste der Luftwaffe which was not the actual awarding date. The awarding date was always (mostly, exceptions confirm as usual the rule) earlier.

Heinz Hartisch awarding of the Ehenpokal was listed in the Erhenliste der Luftwaffe on 18th May 1942.

**JAYP** · 10-06-2008, 10:43 AM

I am still looking for info on my recipent,I know he had 14 kills and is listed in the Osprey book on Aces of the Russian Front but I cannot find out any info after 1941.I have listings of most of his kills but would like to know more about him any help would be greatly appreciated.Jay Parisi

**Wijtman01** · 10-06-2008, 10:57 AM

hy piere
you got kurt eschenbacher in that list?

**Pierre** · 10-06-2008, 11:17 AM

Kurt Eschenbacher, Obergefreiter, Bordfunker, honor goblet 20.07.42.
DKiG on the 17.05.43 as Unteroffizier 2./Stuka-Geschwader 77 .

Pierre

**Wilco Vermeer** · 10-06-2008, 11:19 AM

Kurt Eschenbacher's awarding of the Ehrenpokal was published in the Erhenliste der Luftwaffe on 20th July 1942 as Obergefreiter and Bordfunker.

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